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I've glass gilded with loose leaf before but I'm having a problem with applying it to a dimensional surface.
I can lift the leaf off with my gilders tip nice and flat and lay it onto the piece but I'm getting tons of holidays because of the rounded surface.
How do you patch up these holes and cracks? With patent leaf I just keep going over and pressing more gold wherever its needed but how do you do that with loose leaf??
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Have you tried using wax paper? Lay a piece of wax paper over your loose leaf of gold and lightly rub. The gold will stick to the wax paper allowing you to apply like patent leaf.
While we are on this subject, many oldtimers believed that patent leaf never achieved as good a gloss as loose leaf. They blamed the carrier sheet for this. Is this a credible observation?
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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Easiest way is to allow the first guild to dry completely, burnish with the cotton, and apply a second coating of size, and guild over those holidays where necessary. Once the second guild dries, those patches will be nearly invisible. There arn't many who can lay down a perfect water size guild without getting any holidays whatsoever.
-------------------- Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail: kjmlhenry@rogers.com
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A nice soft brush (make up brush from yer gal will work fine) to lay the leaf down tight and also pick up the skewings and carry them to the holidays. Done carefully, all the loose stuff will fill in the holidays and the brush will help burnish it. Gold leaf is so thin, you won't be able to see the joints when burnished.
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You can actually "push" the gold flakes towards the missed spots.
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Steve, I have laid loose and patent next to each other on the same substrates several times, and didn't notice a difference in the looks. (Nothing that I could see anyway.) I like working with patent "mucho bettero" Hmmmmmmmmm
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The problem is that I can't see the voids until the piece is burnished and then the gold doesn't want to stick when trying to patch them up.
This was for the French Kiss a Brush project. Joe C. decided to mess with us and send out loose leaf. After trying two small pieces, I gave up and pulled out my patent leaf. I think I'll stick to that from now on. I couldn't see any difference between the gild of the patent and what was done with the loose leaf.
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I cant see a difference between patent and loose gold as far as brilliance. More important for a nice brite finish is to gild at the proper time..make sure you let the size go almost dry. When you use patent.....after you have used the gold..lay the paper on the gilded surface and move it around ,using it like a magnifying glass..This will make the holidays stand out like a sore thumb. they will appear much darker
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Does your size appear to be dry in these holidays? Some sizes dry out too quickly for my tastes. I switched to LeFranc size and eliminated those problems since it has a much longer open time than other sizes. I can wait sufficient time for it to set up so as not to drown the Gold and it will still have enough tack to work.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5107 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hi..... Si answer is correct but so is others. a Blush Brush is a wonderful way to fill the problem areas. as for the differance between paten and loose. YEP theres a difference in luster. now if you are useing manitti or some cheap leaf, their is not much difference. I suggest trying some RENNER blattgoldfabrik gold from germany that is still hand done. or another fine brand. all gold leaf is NOT created equaly. I have samples to show this difference when customers are upset as to price, they always want the great stuff at low price. You may want to check with gilders society http://www.societyofgilders.org/
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Si and Danny mentioned make up brushes, specifically blush brushes. They are available at beauty supply stores and even Wal Mart. I've gotten a strange look or two in Wally World as I was perusing their make up brush collection.
A really soft brush, in combination with the correct size, will push those skewings into the texture and burnish the Gold out to where the junctions between pieces are practically invisible.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5107 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Aside from a few glass jobs, all my gold work has been on flat surfaces. I've noticed a difference in luster between patent and loose also. Not to mention the time difference. Compared to rolling loose leaf out of a book, gilding with patent is painfully slow. A lot of folks seem to think you cut down on waste by using patent, which you do, but if your hourly rate is over $10 it's false economy.
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