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I had a call on friday from a guy who wants a price on a window job. White lettering "OFF LICENCE & MAGAZINES" in big plain letters to fit inside a 15' x 7' window. This part is no problem, but he wants Red vinyl put on over this from inside to block out the whole window if you know what I mean. What's the best way to do this without a mountain of bubbles in the red vinyl? p.s. I dont have any rapidtac before anyone suggests that, Would it be better to just use plywood or foam pvc in red instead?
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Why couldn't you just roll on some latex to block out the window?
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I'd be tempted to go along with Mark's suggestion. A lot quicker and cheaper. One word of caution. If the window faces south or west and gets the hot afternoon sun, you could possibly find yorself in trouble. Red soaks up a lot of heat and there is always the possibility of the glass cracking.
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Joe, Instead of rapidtac use a tablespoon of Johnson's baby shampoo to every quart of water. This is most wonderful to slide the vinyl around and squeegee bubble free, Guaranteed. The shampoo is very gentle it is made for baby's you know and will not hurt the adhesive, it does take a lot longer to dry but it will be on the inside so just tell the customer not to touch it for 48 hours. For large panels of vinyl and letters that are going to be viewed up close, it's a must for getting it bubble free. It also makes working by yourself a breeze because of the vinyl sliding so easy but with transfer tape on the vinyl it need's a bit more dying time before removing the transfer tape.This will work great or I'll refund your money for the baby shampoo !That's just the kind of guy I am.
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Joe, if you would like free samples of all our products call; 800-350-7751 I was accused of charging 3.95 for the phone call, but actually I don't know how ! I even pay the freight ! Roger
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a mixture of Isopropyl Alcholhol and water 50/50 will really do the trick.. once you've squeedged it on.. spray the app. tape with the same and it'll come off easier... Rapid Tac is ok.. but this is cheaper and Ive found works just as well, as well you wont have to wait for Roger's shipping.....
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Hey Roger, Put on the sheet of vinyl with no tape & squeegee it out. The letters you can put on with Rapid Tac but with Shampoo about a 1/2 hour is sufficient. Is the way you always respond to a method you don't know about? I didn't see a smiley face so I take it as sarcasm. I know you sale Rapid Tac and I use a very large amount of it and love it. But as far as being able to slide around large pieces of vinyl & especially by your self lets face it RT sucks for that. You don't have to worry about your sales I think everyone who has used RT loves it, so don't be so defensive or condemning about something you haven't tried. I believe you can learn something no matter how small from anyone, if you listen? And you spelled my name wrong it's Alan with an (a)not an (e). You will not see any smiley faces here either this was written with what I believe to be the same intent you meant with your letter.Hey I was told yesterday to jump right in,I'm in !
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Joe, if you paint the window behind the vinyl use oneshot flat poster and run a piece of one inch tape around the entire glass, remove after painting, this will allow the glass to release any heat from the sun and keep it from cracking, we used to have to do window painting a lot, for effect and energy conservation. This works. Of course I do not stand behind your work. Only mine. LOL
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OK! OK! People I have gotten into the agrument with Roger.. He is only trying to promote his product! And you wil use what ever to put the vinyl onto the window. Using whatever application solutions. But the question was the background and I saw the best answers to this question.. If you are going to paint the background of the glass window then you have to remember that If you paint the full window panel (It has no breathing room and as the warm months come along, the glass will expaned.. ( No were to go, but to break!)Well I hope you have insurance! The fact of giving the glass about 2 -3 " of room around the boarder is the best idea as this area is for the glass to(Vent!) Now as far as the paint to use.. This is up to the properties of how long is it going to be there? Bulletin/Enamels/Latex will work. Remember whats around the window pane and thats a "Security Alert System...." I don't think that I like to replace it if I have the obligation to remove the background paint job...Most paints you will chemically remove or scrape off will damage the strip on the window..Staying away from it with that 2-3 inch strip gives you a comfort area!
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Leaving a border of clear around the painted area on a glass is a time honored method of blocking out the windows of bars and taverns. The deluxe method is to use bulletin colors and stipple the finish with a large stipple. I have also masked and sprayed, which may or may not always be an option, but works great using latex and an airless sprayer.
Alan, How long have you been using baby shampoo? Why do you recommend it over dishwashing liquid? I agree that for very large laminations Rapid Tac may be way too fast. Although I am a diehard Rapid Tac user, I deal with large laminations every day and dish soap is a must, often in conjunction with using three to four people to actually lay the vinyl. Often I will make mixtures of Rapid Tac and soapy water, or Quick Stik and soapy water, to increase speed, but again, not without a crew of experienced hands handling the vinyl. Of course, laminating large areas on glass will allow more sgueegee time, but I don't think I would do it alone. Working by myself, I would probably paint it.
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Brad, The only reason I use baby shampoo instead of dish D. is D.D. comes with grease removers in it for easily removing soiled greasy dishes, which I believe is harsh on the vinyl's adhesive, so just to play it safe I use baby shampoo and it works just as good a DD? Hey if it's gentle enough for your baby's eyes it's gentle enough for your vinyl's adhesive. And so everyone knows like Roger I do love Rapid tac especially the RT 2 just not for really large vinyl signs on really hot days.
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