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Dave Utter
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I just thought I'd throw this out here as an interesting topic. I'm working on a design in which one of the main words is "downtown". I have never run into this before, but the combination of "WN" twice in the same word makes it really hard to read in some fonts, while not hard at all in others. It seems that the wider the W the harder it is to read. It almost looks like "don't to own" in some instances. I would like to keep it in all caps, but that makes the problem more severe. Its almost like doing all caps in script. [Eek!] has anyone ran into this problem before? Nothing looks right. [Confused]

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Dave Utter
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Sign Designs
Beardstown, Il.
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Bob Stephens
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I have. You're not alone.

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Bob Stephens
Skywatch Signs
Zephyrhills, FL

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Fred Weiss
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Dave - Assuming you're looking for a digital font either as an end or a starting point, you'll find a shareware product called TypoGraf very useful for situations like this.

Typograf will allow you to type out any phrase you want and then look at it in any font you have available that is either TrueType or PostScript, installed or not installed. We use it several times a day.

You can download this 5 star product at the company's website and use it without cost. If you like it and continue to use it, then you should register it and pay the shareware fee which is $35.

TypoGraf

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Fred Weiss
Allied Computer Graphics, Inc.
4620 Lake Worth Road
Lake Worth, FL 33463
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Dave Utter
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fred, I believe that is similar to Bitstream font navigator that comes with Corel Draw. Thats when it gets confusing. [Eek!] As you scroll down through the different fonts and look at what the word looks like in each font, its mind blowing how many look bad, and how few look good. Kerning is a big issue also. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I'm always a sucker for new toys on my 'puter. [Wink]

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Dave Utter
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Don Hulsey
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Hey Dave,

I have run into this also. Sometimes you can condense only the W's and with a little creative kerning, make the ugly ones look really good.

Hope to see you in Atlanta.

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Don Hulsey
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George Perkins
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Try opening up the letter spacing or double or triple space the letters. You might want to go with a "gaspipe" type of letterstyle ( that would be one where the W's strokes are vertical opposed to slanted. Some letter combinations present spacing problems that require altering a whole line of lettering to get it to look right. The combination LA can give you fits. The old "sand between the letters trick" makes it easy to adjust spacing problems. For folks not familiar with this one, try and picture each word framed in a plexiglass box, open at the top and sealed everywhere else. Ideal spacing will allow the same amount of sand to be poured between each letter. All you do is maneuver the letters around til the amount of sand is equal. Harder to do on the computer , as some of the hand drawn methods take a little longer. The LA combination used to find a lot of guys shortening up the lower leg on the L to get it to snuggle up to the A better.

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Bill Diaz
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Heck, I say all uppercase old english.....maybe red letters with a black outline.....maybe that logo company that had the ad going around could help! [Wink]
hehehehe Jane (I hope people realize I'M KIDDING!)

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Bill Diaz
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Jeff Ogden
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I agree with George P. about using a font with vertical strokes on the "W'. Italicizing others way alleviate the appearance of gaps between "w" and "n". "O"'s can snuggle close to the "W" too.

Slightly off topic...I wonder how many different names there are for the old signpainter's standby, the condensed letter with round ends on the strokes, which some call gaspipe, and others (myself included) call stovepipe ? I know there are lotsa variations, but I was just wondering about painter's lingo for the basic, generic style. Does anyone here call it something else? [Roll Eyes]

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Jeff Ogden
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Gainesville FL, 32609

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