Over the winter months I looked at my Winchester 20 gauge and thought about doing something with it. I use it for Rabbit hunting in the spring and fall. I don't kill for sport, but like to have some wild game in the crock pot.(supper)
Sorry if the pictures are grainy! The project is not finished yet!, But you get the idea of it. The handle was cut down and airbrushed with Createx Pearlscent Green.(Auto Clearcoated)
The chamber was etched with a diamond bit using a Dremel. (Tree lines with birds) The pump action was carved like tall grass.
The site line is Gold Glided as well as some copper plate that I found prospecting were added on the Handle with Gliding.
It is just a home project. and I've got lots of time to finish it.
I just can't sit still and do nothing when my head is full of Ideas!
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Letting Your Imagination Run Wild! Posts: 4327 | From: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada | Registered: Jan 2000
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You have a very beautiful and illegal shotgun on your hands. I'd hurry my butt down to the local gunshop and purchase a new shoulder stock for that baby before ATF shows up at your door.
I just checked my Federal Regulations Firearms Guide and the stated defination of a shotgun directly states it has to be fired from the shoulder. You have an illegal shotgun/pistol !
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1356 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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But our (FAC)laws are alittle different here in Canada.
There are 2 things your are not allowed to modify. 1 Barrel length has to stay the same 28" or over. 2 Ammo chamber can only hold 3 shells. 1 in barrel and 2 in reserve.
OH by the why you can purchase pistol grip shotguns from the manufactures.
Just something I uploaded from one of thier sites. But these rifles can be bought in Canada. But only used as Law Enforcement and not for hunting. (because of barrel length)
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Letting Your Imagination Run Wild! Posts: 4327 | From: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada | Registered: Jan 2000
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Sorry Steve, I didn't pay attention to your address, duh. I'm surprised though, I though you guys had tougher gun laws than we do. I used to have a dealers license until I got "Clintoned" out of it. Just wasn't worth the hassle anymore for the few firearms that I ran throught here..
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1356 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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Bill, the law is the same here in Louisiana, but everyone has one! Good snake killer ya know. ;)Stephen, great job! You have made that gun a real prize.
Sorry about being a downer but that is one of the most horrendous things Ive ever seen. Guns should either be a thing of elegance and beauty or stark functionality. You've missed both I'm afraid.
Like C. J. Allen, when I hear the name Winston Churchill I'd don't think of a fat cigar smoker in a bowler hat.
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David. What do you dislike about the gun. Do you not think a painted gun couldnt be elegant. This is not a loaded question but only an inquiry. I ask becouse 90 percent of my income comes from custom painting shotguns for profesional sporting clay shooters. I know that there is a feeling amung alot of shooters that a painted stock brings down the value of a gun and was just wondering if you did not like the work or are you opposed to any painted stocks.
By the way I think the gun looks fine but I would like to see the work up alittle closer.
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As far as I am concerned...the only reason to paint a gunstock...is to hide ugly or plain wood! I realize that a lot of shooters paint the Precision stocks, is because they are plain ol' plastic...but real wood? Nope!
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EVERYBODY should demand that Ryan post some pics of his shotgun work. You wouldn’t believe it. The guns are stunning, absolutely stunning. BTW Stephen, I think the gun looks great. Pat
-------------------- Pat Phipps Custom Trophy & Design Glenn Dale. MD ______________________ _ "A Man Don't Learn A Lesson Less It Costs Him Blood or Money " Posts: 78 | From: Glenn Dale, Maryland | Registered: Feb 2003
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http://www.81x.com/Authors/paintedguns/half%20n%20half.jpg This is a sample of a process that I have developed called a half and half gun where we coat the high end wood with a resin and ad paint using the natural grain as part of the design. I developed this to apeal to the high end gun owners.
web page This a limited edition paint scheme that we will only paint 25 of.
web pageThis was done for a lady named pearl. I dont know if you can see it but here name is ghosted in the forearm.
web page This is a gun that I painted for Wild Turkey. They sponsor Mike More and wanted something that would stand out.
web page This is a black powder muskett. I do one different every year to rafle off
I will post more on the portfolio page if any one would like to see more.
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Ryan, Thanks for posting these..My favorite is the "Wild Turkey"...........The gun don't look bad either.he he he
Now Si, What do you think of these ???????
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Personally i think it needs some mauve here and there and a touch of etruscan blue to balance out the copper.
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Gunstocks in and of themselves are somewhat unremarkable, even presentation models. I have looked at hundreds of Beretta, Perazzi and Benelli’s at shows and auctions, Aside from the wood stocks being custom fit and beautifully hand finished they are, as I said, unremarkable. However, what Ryan has skillfully done is to meld art with gunstocks. Take a good look everybody; you are witnessing the future of presentation gunstocks
-------------------- Pat Phipps Custom Trophy & Design Glenn Dale. MD ______________________ _ "A Man Don't Learn A Lesson Less It Costs Him Blood or Money " Posts: 78 | From: Glenn Dale, Maryland | Registered: Feb 2003
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Hisses back at Bob! And.. a shake of the rattle. Don't worry Bob, I would only shoot "Ole Stumptail" (cottonmouth)if he invades the territory between my grand daughters and me. They live next door and are back and forth at all times, even at night. Come to think of it all future boyfriends are in danger also!
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Old enough to know better...Too young to resist. Posts: 1891 | From: Ponchatoula, LA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Si, For what it is worth.....I agree with you on both points..........And don't forget the Plastic ones...I can make them look like your samples......he he he he
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-------------------- Arvil Shep' Shepherd Art by Shep' -------- " Those who dance are thought to be mad by those who cannot hear the music " Posts: 1281 | From: Mt Airy NC | Registered: Mar 2001
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I say if shes a great looking stock leave it but if its an ugly one paint itnow pull....D_M missed Uh need a new graphic on this one...its still not shooting straight....Ps steve those pics not comming through on this end of canada...He He
-------------------- Pat Welter Masterhand Signs and Designs Unity, Saskatchewan.Canada Posts: 1304 | From: Unity, Saskatchewan.Canada | Registered: May 1999
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Heres the deal everybody. I love high end wood like everyone else but if you have 3 or four guns with high end wood why is it if you deside to paint the 6th, thats wrong. Si imagine one of those peices of wood with a gold leaf graphic and clear that makes the gun look wet. You would still show off the grain but add a little more. The majority of my customers are pros and simi pros that want to promote themselves or a product. I think there is a place for both and I feel that a well designed painted wood stock is as buitiful as highend wood. To be blunt I also feel that if you think that all painted guns are crap no matter the quality of artwork then you are a dinosour and you need to be willing to except new things. This is cutting edje and I hope to be one of the leaders and inovators in this area.I was the first person ever to chrome a wood stock and forarm and apply transparrent colers. I was also the worlds first to offer half paint half natural wood with no tangable line. I am very proud of my stocks and do not want any one to think I am going off on anyone from this board. I am not but I have run into some hard nosed oldtimers that feel I am butchering any gun no matter the quality of the job.
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Ryan, Some good points there. Obviously Si likes the great woods, as I do. I work with some of the highest quality and rarest woods in the world. My best productions are usually mixed finishes with wood. I have experienced a lot of high end painted pieces in lacquers from Asia. They spend a fortune of time and effort on them. Si's photos are of a few high end grains that I would probably deal with very delicately.
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If I had the wood Si has I wouldnt paint them either. If I had 2 or three you bet your ass I would paint one of them. I would also like to state that my post was not aimed at You Si. Unless you feel as if all painted stocks are junk which I hope you dont.
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Ryan...don't get yer shorts all in a bunch! I have looked at your pics... a Beretta 390 is not noted for fancy wood! Neither are factory Perazzi, Kreighoff, or many high end competition shotguns!
Many pros, semi-pros and wannabes, don't order fancy wood on their guns, and have them personalized....becuase it is cheaper. I see no problem with Stephen decorating his hunting gun...in fact, you see more and more hunting guns that come with plain old "fence post" hardwood, and painted in various cammo patterns. Much as you wouldn't put decals all over a Ferrari, Jag Convert., or Lotus street cars... unless they are actual race cars; you don't paint oper high class wood. I am not a 5 or 6 gun person...25 shotguns, plus many rifles and pistols! Most have really nice wood, and eventually, all will! I have 2 Tiger Stripe Walnut shotgun blanks waiting to be worked on, soon as I finish the one for my Remington 3200.
PS I do have a "riot gun" in cammo!
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No shorts in a bunch here Si. Just the same old conversation I have every week or so. I understand your point. The majority of all my stocks are 390s and 391s and I know that isnt highend wood. I want to do some Half and Half jobs on some TRUE high end woods.I will need to keep beating the bushes I guess. I am shooting with John Kruger the 22 of this month and hopefully he and I can work something out.So if you see my work on his gun you will know a fellow letterhead was responsible. It may be easyer to talk him into it with his connections for wood.
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I think some high end gold leaf scroll work with some striping would really look nice on a high end wood stock, with a natural wood finish. Have you ever checked out the decorative painting (with gold leaf) on an old piano ? Very similar to what I'm picturing here on a gunstock.
Ryan...I like the look you have with your painting...very original. Having a gun look that graphic is really a departure from the norm, and I think you have a good thing going there. This post is making me want to try my hand at one....(why not, it seems like I've painted on just about everything else, at one time or another) .
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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Steve, don't apologise. You like it and that's cool. I don't. Cutting the stock off would do nothing for the accuracy or your ability to make a clean shot. I don't like the colour and a Dremel Tool should never be allowed near the exterior of any gun.
Ryan, I never said I didn't like painted guns. I once had a Remington 1100 that had a traditional hot rod flame job. Your stock are excellent by the way. I appreciate the difficulty in trying to get a nice flowing graphic onto such a small area. Pulling a pinstripe across checkering is a bitch.
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Sorry, Bill. You're not quite right. The barrel only has to be 18.5" long and any shotgun in the USA can have a pistolgrip only on it. I know this cuz we have several of them by the doors in the house, and Dad is a past class 3 dealer for law enforcement. I love figured wood and I love engraving. I'm not too sure about painted receivers though. I guess I'd have to see one for reals.
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Ladies and gentlemen, It's obvious that you have an appreciation of a precision, well made firearm. But your appreciation will just be academic, in theory and such if you don't work towards maintaing your second amendment rights. At this time, it's a very high-maintainance sittuation.
Ta-da! That's today's right wing blather folks! Sincerly, Radar O'(I still say Frank Burns) Murdok.
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