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I would like to get some opinions / comments on the use of lead based paints.
I know how well One shot and it's relatives cover, but aren't some of the newer...what do they call them ? umm polymer latex or something...just as good without the health risk.
I know an airbrush guy here in SC, great artist. Uses One Shot almost exclusively on bikes/vehicles etc.. and he ooo boy, just huffs the stuff when he's paintin' gives me the willies just thinkin' about it.
Look forward to readin' replies.
Thanks, Steve
-------------------- Steve Aycock Designs 3489 Oswald St. Johns Island, SC zaor@warpdriveonline.com Posts: 124 | From: Charleston, SC | Registered: Feb 2003
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If you're concerned about the toxicity of this trade you'd best go find something better to do.
The whole lead thing became an issue because some little kid was sucking on the window sill on the east coast.
When I see a kid sucking on my signs I'll get out myself.
No one swims in the paint...resonable care and common sense will let you survive the lead threat.
Now you want to talk about something deadly...worry about the catalytic paints and the hardners...way more dangerous than the old leaded enamels of yesteryear.These are the things that have been developed to replace the leaded paints.
Good idea huh?
-------------------- "Werks fer me...it'll werk fer you"
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I think the lead has been removed from most, if not all paints including One Shot. I was worried about 10 years ago, and had my blood tested for lead and it was normal. A lot of people use spray paints like Krylon without a mask as well and it is probaly more harmful. You should wear a mask whenever sawdust or spray particles are present.
-------------------- Rob Thomas 3410 Ketcham Ct Beautiful Springs FL 34134 Posts: 965 | From: Bonita Springs, Florida USA | Registered: Feb 2000
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Back when lead interior house paint was common, lead poisoning of children was common. The paint had a sweet taste. Kids would rub their hands on the wall and then lick their hands for the sweet taste.
From here on it is about your lungs
I knew a welder who got lead poisoning by doing welding repairs on painter's scaffolds. He was breathing the fumes from the welding.
Cotton mill workers used to get a brown lung disease from fibers in the air. The ones who smoked got a double whammy, emphesema at a minimum, or lung cancer. All my aunts and uncles who smoked and worked in cotton mills died of one or the other.
Our younger son almost died from anaphalactic shock after breathing dust of red and yellow dye powder that he was mixing at the time.
Masks are clunky and uncomfortable, but always a good idea when you are throwing dust and paint vapors into the air. Vic G
-------------------- Victor Georgiou Danville, CA , USA Posts: 1746 | From: Danville, CA , USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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iam with monty here....been playin in one shot since the late 50's(when it was lead based). the new 2 part paints will kiil ya.....my dad died from cigarettes and black lung(worked in the coal mines). most old sign painters...didnt die from lead but alcohol poisoning. but most of ya still drink and smoke(i been to sign meets, will not go to one unless its warm enough to have all the doors and windows open).i think the lead paint thing is just like the radon gas crap, just something to worry about, nothing more.
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I STILL buy One Shot that has lead in it! Since 1968. As the doctors will tell you:Don't smoke, Don't drink,Get plenty of excersise....and you will live longer! I guess if you don't smoke or drink One Shot it should be OK! Are you thinking about somehow CHEATING death? Or are you unclear about where you stand(IF)them church goers are RIGHT....after all?
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Yup, we all gotta die of something someday. I use "1Shot" everyday all day, brush it, spray it, but don't eat it! Although my dog got into it once when she was a pup and 4 yrs later is still kickin'. It's what's in your mind that will get ya. I look at it like this: I love what I do, fumes lead and all and wouldn't trade it for anything else.
-------------------- Kristie Byrnes Paintbrush Graphics 6126 Big Cut Rd. Mt. Carroll, IL 61053 rugbyrnes@hotmail.com (563) 357-7614 Posts: 90 | From: Thomson,IL | Registered: Dec 2002
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Back in the day when I was slinging 1-shot 22 hours a day I began developing serious migrane headached every day and would never be without asperin. Kept a big bottle in my paint kit at all times. Guaranteed everyday.
Along came the Signmaker3...As I began the shift from paint to vinyl the headaches slowed down and then went completely away.
I'm convinced that lead was absorbed into my skin as my hands were always covered in 1-shot.
At any rate. No more migranes.
-------------------- Bob Stephens Skywatch Signs Zephyrhills, FL
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bob, back then it might have been the exposure to the sun, along with the all the coffee you drank, or all the beer you had the nite before, or cigarettes you smoked or the WAFFLE HOUSE breakfast you had.... ....some people just cant take the sun/heat or any of those things above combined. i never knew i had allergies..till after i quit smokin....
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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It turns out that 'One Shot' does still contain lead. (I'll read those safety data sheets.)
I don't suppose that I'll get to cheat death but I would like to stay healthy as long as possible. If not for me, then for my wife and child. I would do anything to avoid the gruelling and basically horrific deaths I witnessed as both my grandfathers passed.
Though they didn't die from paint fumes or the like, their lifestyles were definitely responsible.
Nothing wrong with a little care and concern in my book. I'll wear gloves when I paint and a mask when I sand, don't cost much, isn't that difficult to deal with.
If I don't live longer, I might live with a little more peace of mind.
Steve
Though what I know may make a grand book, what I don't know could fill a grand library.
-unknown
-------------------- Steve Aycock Designs 3489 Oswald St. Johns Island, SC zaor@warpdriveonline.com Posts: 124 | From: Charleston, SC | Registered: Feb 2003
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I have seen this topic come up many times with a great deal of mis-information. The soft sweet leads such as white lead are all but gone from all paints. Those are the leads which are water soluable and hence blood soluable. Sweet leads are the ones which cause traditional lead poisoning and is also the lead used in leaded gasoline. Blood bourne lead poisoning effects virtually all of the internal organs, especially the liver and hear muscle. The hard leads which are listed as an ingredient in current production of enamels are typically lead pigments such as chromium lead oxide (chrome yellow). Some of the hard leads are not used anymore either. Hard leads are not water soluable and cannot flow in your blood stream. The dust from hard leads can settle in your lung tissues and are impossible to extricate. This is the real hazard from hard leads but is true of any inhaled solid particle except that the leads are too heavy to cough up. This is why everyone is urged to use a dust mask when sanding these products. Most people who have lived through the era of leaded gasoline, have a countable sweet lead level in their bloodstream. If over the years you have handled a great deal of white lead, yellow (litharge), red (red oxide) or lead dryers, then you should be tested the next time you have a blood test. It is an extra expense but worth it to know where you stand. There are things you can do to rid your body of lead contaminants under a doctor's direction. This is especially important to improve your liver and heart function.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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