-------------------- Gavin Chachere Plotter in the garage,New Orleans La.
"Sgts Shugart and Gordon again request permission to rope down to crash site two" Posts: 1223 | From: new orleans.la. | Registered: Mar 2000
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Gavin: I just got up, don't do this to me. I don't like cleaning coffee out of my keyboard first thing in the morning.
And Rich: What Gavin is referring to is that you may be hearing a few things that won't make you too comfortable. Let me explain from the start that we are here for each other to give professional advice and exchange knowledge - and to support and encourage the art and craft of creating signs.
We are not here to give away designs, practice our craft on the side, or recommend any of us to work for a potential customer who finds our board. What I find interesting is that you ask for help with sketches, but say that YOU are the one who will be doing the designs. ---------------------------------------------- Quote: .....after I finish creating the Logo....------------------------------------------------ From what I see you need to hire a pro, for sure. So you will look like one in whatever your business might be.
I hope I make some sense to you. Good luck in your new venture. And don't feel bad for asking. Anybody can ask for anything they like, they just have to be prepared to hear a yes or a no.
-------------------- Myra A. Grozinger Signs Limited Winston-Salem, NC
signslimited@triad.rr.com Posts: 1244 | From: Winston-Salem, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Sorry, we aren't supposed to put up links?? The link is only to a picture. I couldn't figure out how to post the picture here. My business is a carpet cleaning company.
Thanks,
Rich
-------------------- Rich Simms PO Box 292 East Glastonbury CT 06025 richmichael@cox.net Posts: 7 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Feb 2003
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Rich how much have you allocated for your advertising budget? Let me know what You can afford to spend and I'll let you know if I can professionally design a logo for your company or not and also professionally arrange to have your company vehicle lettered. Remember that these normal everyday business expenses are tax deductable too. Just check with your CPA for his professional advice.
Welcome to the world of small business. Notice how much everything cost to own your own business? And everybody thinks we are laughing all the way to the bank!
P.S. How much would you charge me to clean my carpets down here in Florida?
[ February 06, 2003, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Bob Stephens ]
-------------------- Bob Stephens Skywatch Signs Zephyrhills, FL
There are many qualified professionals on this site that would be more than happy to help you with your logo. You've come to the right place for a great design.
Perhaps a few folks here will express an interest in taking on your job.
It looks as though you are interested in having an illustrative graphic involved with your logo. Perhaps a cartoonish character? I would highly recommend John Deaton for that sort of thing. I believe he will be able to capture the feel for what I think you are wanting by your sketches. Check out some of his work at www.deatondesigns.com If you are interested in hiring him, contact him about his fees. It would be well worth your investment.
I invite you to check out my website as well. If you are interested in hiring me, just send me an email, and we can go over some of your thoughts and perhaps put them into play in a design.
You can expect to pay a deposit to anyone you hire, before you recieve any sketches. The amount you pay in total for your logo will depend largely upon the time one has into your design, and it's intended uses.
Good luck to you, and thanks for presenting the opportunity here to us for some work.
Best regards, Janette
-------------------- "When Love and Skill Work Together ... Expect a Masterpiece"
Coincidentally, I just finished a boat lettering job down here that was referred to me from a sign man in Milford CT. I don't know how far that is from you, but this guy would be very qualified to do your van lettering when you are ready for it.
Email me if you would like me to relay his name and number to you.
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Hi there Rich.....if you want to have your own artwork as part of your logo, I would say just keep practicing. Remember sometimes simple is best, and easiest to read. My advice is to go visit some sign shops in your area and ask for their ideas. Listen to what they have to say, and the honest ones will steer you in the right direction.
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I recommend my son for you. he is winning awards for his hand drawn stuff all over the country. email me.
-------------------- Leaper of Tall buildings.. If you find my posts divisive or otherwise snarky please ignore them. If you do not know how then PM me about it and I will demonstrate. Posts: 5278 | From: Im a nowhere man | Registered: Jul 2001
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how did you come upon this web site? and those drawings on your web site are to say the least....bad......and do you expect us to GIVE you a DESIGN/LOGO for FREE? either this is a joke or you are very bold to come here and EXPECT youll get something for nothing. i got a 2000 sq.ft. house need free carpet for couple of the bedrooms.....send that on down.....
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Thanks to the people who offered advice. I really appreciate it and I will probably be contacting one of you. I am not looking for free hand outs and I will pay...
To those with the stuck up, snobby attitudes........I was not asking for anything for free exept for ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's a big deal for you than just skip this post!!! It would be a cold day in hell before I ask any of you for anything..............
-------------------- Rich Simms PO Box 292 East Glastonbury CT 06025 richmichael@cox.net Posts: 7 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Feb 2003
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Let’s see if we can let this end “good”, after all, or at least get real
First: I personally learned from what I read in the answers.
I have not been on this board as long as others, and had not really run across the helpful attitude of referrals that surfaced in the replies. I had not seen such offers of personal service, nor had I read about gratitude for job opportunities coming our way in this fashion. Maybe we are in transition, mellowing out, becoming more compassionate.
Everybody could win. Surely in all these offers is a path to exactly what our visitor is looking for.
But getting real also means that it sure looked to me like you were asking for our professional help with drawings that are sorely in need of it, just like Old Paint said, and were asking for our time and expertise. And you acted like by having found our board you might be entitled to just that, which is proven by your leaving us in the middle of winter spouting about cold days in hell..... You had no right to do that, it would have been OK to just say thank you.
-------------------- Myra A. Grozinger Signs Limited Winston-Salem, NC
signslimited@triad.rr.com Posts: 1244 | From: Winston-Salem, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Yes Myra.....some people are just so nice! lately!! (I think they are on drugs)
But seriously...it is nice to see that some have come down off their high horse and are actually helpful and nice. It is refreshing.
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I laughed at Gavin's reply too. But not as much as at Rich's post. I started to invite him & his checkbook to Maui to initiate whatever help I may have been able to be but decided to save my sarcasm & just enjoy Gavin's comment instead while I watched & waited for the fireworks.
Rich, if you are a real person with real signage needs, then yes, I agree that you got some good advice. I also agree that you were pretty bold in your requests & to come back with attitude about how your request was responded to is not going to bring much more help your way. Read your post, it most certinly looks like you are asking for free help, & therefore asking for sarcasm, or "snobby attitudes" or charity. Since you didn't have the good grace to accept getting the kind of responses your post would be expected to recieve, then help or charity is probably exactly what you need. Good luck in getting it with that attitude.
I for one think this "first" post is too classic to be anything but somebodies idea of a joke. If there is a Rich, don't worry too much bro, we may all be laughing, but not just at you. It goes too far back to get into, but thanks for the laugh.
quote:I for one think this "first" post is too classic to be anything but somebodies idea of a joke. If there is a Rich,
I can attest to the fact that Rich is most likely a real person...he sent me a check and a request for my dad's video. Then again, maybe this is another Rich Simms...that one was from New Hampshire. Hmmmmm...the plot thickens.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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Ficucell......I do declare drugs can be a good thing. Just depends on what kind. Posts: 3729 | From: Seattle | Registered: Sep 1999
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I think that Rich does raise a good point about some of the "professionals" here coming off as being snobbish, with an "attitude". Forgive me, but isn't communication supposed to be our strong suite? This isn't the first time that a newcomer has expressed this sentiment either. If this is how you're perceived by someone, at first contact, then perhaps it may be time to examine if that's how you're also perceived by some of your regular customers.
I think that part of the problem lies in making the assumption that he was after something for nothing. That wasn't the case, as he did indicate that he was willing and able to pay. All he was really asking for was some professional help with the ideas that he'd started with. When some non-confrontational dialogue was began, he did reveal more of what he had in mind, and the focus changed.
Let's be honest here... we all do some routine bread & butter jobs, and you never know for a certainty, just which of those will lead to increased or better work down the road. How often have you had the experience of a small job, well done, turning into a very good order later. If you're absolutely swamped with high-end big dollar jobs, then perhaps you can afford to have as much "attitude" as you want. The point is this: If you come off as "having an attitude" on first contact, then you may be losing out on sales and the opportunity to make money.
As an exercise in objectivity, re-read this thread in it's entirity, and honestly chose from among the respondants, who YOU might like to do business with.
-------------------- Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail: kjmlhenry@rogers.com
Why do I get all those on-line offers to sell me Viagara, when the only thing hardening is my arteries ? Posts: 2690 | From: London,Ontario, Canada | Registered: Feb 1999
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OK, I'll back off the suggestion that Rich is not real, because not being that interested I hadn't taken off the "/wand.jpg" part of the link provided to discover that Rich has a nice site. I (not being that artistically endowed myself - at least in the cartoon type of art) thought the preliminary drawings were pretty good compared to most of what clients bring to my door.
Rich, hope you can see how out of the dozens or hundreds of sign professionals who may have seen your post, you were likely to ruffle some feathers. This is not a site where potential clients join just to ask us to vollentarrily get professionally involved with their signage needs. This is a place where we gather to talk shop, compare horror stories about customers demands (I'm sure you get those too) & maybe help each other learn how best to accomodate clients like you who walk in the door, lay down a deposit & set about aquiring some professional help.
There have been fictiscious (I don't know why I keep finding words I don't know how to spell on this post) persons signing up here just to ruffle feathers, so that did cross my mind, & others I would guess.
If you want to work with someone in mass, give me a call 508-865-7330
I think your sketches have a lot of potential, I can work on your logo with you, And if you need a shop in CT I can recommend a shop to do the lettering.
I do charge for sketches and ideas, as well as design, but we could do this over the internet if you like.
ps: boy some of you guys need to take a cold shower!
-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Rich, On the left side of your screen you will see a link that reads "Find a Letterhead".. you can search out someone in your area right there and maybe have an easier time dealing with someone local.
To the rest that jumped on Rich's back, you need to keep your business local and stay away from internet orders and email, you'd never be able to handle it. Not everyone is looking for hand-outs although sometimes the typed word does not convey that well. "I'm looking for ideas" does not mean "I want free stuff", it simply means "I need some direction".. you know... just like your walk-ins or phone calls.
-------------------- "If I share all my wisdom I won't have any left for myself."
Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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Those of you that helped and sent me e-mail....Thank you very much
I did end up hiring someone to make the logo for me. Unfortunatly I hired someone before I recieved your e-mails. Hopefully I made the right choice. I will still be in need of a lettering expert but I'm narrowing it down to a few very helpful people in my area.
If anyone ever needs free advice in my expertise than please feel free to e-mail me...any time.
Thanks,
Rich
-------------------- Rich Simms PO Box 292 East Glastonbury CT 06025 richmichael@cox.net Posts: 7 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Feb 2003
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good luck rich....and may the gods smile upon you.....it was fun......hehehehehhehe
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I was not asking for anything for free exept for ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's a big deal for you than just skip this post!!!
Im sorry but my ideas are not free!!!!!!! I dont mind helping someone but he was asking for something free. He said it in his own words. I think this guy got out of here on the light side. This must be the kindlier gentler bullboard.
-------------------- Ryan Young Indocil Art & Design indocil@comporium.net 803-980-6765
I highjacked Letterville!! Winter Muster 2004 Posts: 904 | From: Rock Hill, SC | Registered: Sep 2001
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Imagine this... you're not a ballplayer, but you've just stepped up to the plate in Yankee Stadium, with a bat in your hands, and you yell out to Roger Clemens on the mound and ask him to "help you out" and throw you something you can hit. And then you get offended when that first pitch is a 98mph fastball heading straight for your ear. Well, what a surprise. Welcome to the big leagues, Cap.
-------------------- "A wise man concerns himself with the truth, not with what people believe." - Aristotle
Cam Bortz Finest Kind Signs Pondside Iron works 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988" Posts: 3051 | From: Pawcatuck,Connecticut USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I am sorry if I offended anyone here. I made the post in haste and if I could take it back I would.
I was just looking for ideas from experts. Most people in my industry are willing to help with information and advice anytime. I guess your profession is different. Your ideas are the root of your business. I do understand why some of you would be offended and again, I apoligize.
Rich
-------------------- Rich Simms PO Box 292 East Glastonbury CT 06025 richmichael@cox.net Posts: 7 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Feb 2003
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Thanks for the apology and I hope you understand that this is a different profession. We are all artist and our feathers get ruffled very easily. I hope you found someone that will take care of you. I wish only the best for you and your buisness. If you were local and my carpets needed cleaning you would be my first call.
-------------------- Ryan Young Indocil Art & Design indocil@comporium.net 803-980-6765
I highjacked Letterville!! Winter Muster 2004 Posts: 904 | From: Rock Hill, SC | Registered: Sep 2001
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Not a problem with me Rich. I think everyone has learned something from this post. I was serious about offering my help and I hope you might learn and understand that it does cost money to be in your own business.
One of the big factors in so many business failures is not having enough capital investment to start up the right way.
Funny but you can be the best at what you do but your image if poorly designed can tell the buying public your potential clients, otherwise.
Sincerely offering my advice to you, invest in a good image for your company. It will pay back many dividends over the years.
Im not even sure if you have started your company yet or not but learn as much about operating a company as you can. Its just as important as how well you do your job.
Good luck to you really!
-------------------- Bob Stephens Skywatch Signs Zephyrhills, FL
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I just have to say something real quick. On logo design, what we sell is ideas, and concepts expressed graphically, some here get paid 100 bucks all the way to 20k-40k for that idea, we sometimes help each other, so we do exchange ideas, to learn from each other. But when it comes down to a potential client? I think that is harder for most here to swallow, what are we gonna learn from it? Too many people already want it cheap, quick, and do not value the effort it takes to fully appreciate what we do, and some here are expressing that frusteration. Good luck on your choice, by the way, is this the big legues? If you really want some abuse, post your original post on How design forum, or the local AIGA website, now they would ream you a new one. Rick
-------------------- Rick Chavez Hemet, CA Posts: 1540 | From: Hemet,CA U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001
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Not everyone is looking for hand-outs although sometimes the typed word does not convey that well. "I'm looking for ideas" does not mean "I want free stuff", it simply means "I need some direction".. you know... just like your walk-ins or phone calls. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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