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A question for the painters-Is there any other way to place a pattern on a board except by pouncing?Looking for large carbin sheets or a powder that doesn't make a mess.How about spraying a adhesive(light tac)and sprinkling powder on it????????
-------------------- Randall Campbell Randy's Graphics, 420 Fairfield N. Hamilton Ontario Canada Posts: 2857 | From: Hamilton Ontario Canada | Registered: Jan 2002
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One way that I've used would be to get a graphite stick, and rub the back of the pattern. Not messy or powdery at all. Then trace the image on your surface.
You would be able to purchase a graphite stick at an art store. At least that's where I got mine many moons ago.
Nettie
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THis may seem simplistic, but I keep a 3x4 foot or thereabouts black carbon paper piece folded up in a safe place. I wear it out periodically so I create a new one about once every year and a half by buying little books of carbon paper and then taping the sheets together to form a large sheet. Sounds anal, but it's worth it to me. Takes less time than you think. I use narrow tape to not impede the flow of lines too much, because as I draw on a pattern with the carbon underneath it, the taped lines will skip the trace in that area. Hope that helps.
-------------------- Myra A. Grozinger Signs Limited Winston-Salem, NC
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Hi Randy, I bought some graphite paper from Lee Valley not too long ago. It's 12"x144" and pretty cheap. They've opened a location not far from you recently just off Appleby Line.
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On vehicles we used to use a very light mist of black and or white/grey lacquer,..on enamels you might try a mist of fast drying krylon just lightly dusted.This drys almost as soon as ya shoot it out of the airbrush and will not smudge. I would beware of the adhesive routine you speak of as the adhesive may interact wrong with the paint edge.A hansee(sp?) pounce box will eliminate alot of the mess associated with pouncing but not completely.I personally keep several different colors of chalk for different colored backgrounds and try to keep a small pounce bag as I too hate the mess of chalk and or charcoal associated with pounce patterns,...another alternative is to learn to freehand from scaled drawings,...
I discovered that Lee Valley website over a year ago. Very cool isn't it?
I didn't know they had graphite paper. That's a nice find. Thanks!
I've liked the portability of my graphite stick because it's small, and takes up little space in my kit. But I definately see saving a step with the paper as a big plus!
Neat to learn about new alternatives & resourses from someone elses question. (thanks Randy)
Happens alot on here. Nettie
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I've bought from lee Valley In Ottawa over 20 years ago, for those hard to find tools, like a Log Notch Gouge, Slicks, Alaskan Mills, Lumber Makers, Scribes, Indellible Pencils, Adz, Broad Axe, Water Stones and everything else to make a nice sign, actually these are all Log Building tools that I purchased from them.. And I tell you they are the "Best" to deal with. They have great Full size wood working plans also.
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Randy, what did you buy for carving tools? Most of mine were from Lee Valley but I'm really regretting it now. I would have bought others if I knew better at the time.
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One thing that helps me is turning the paper over after pouncing and sanding the back lightly. OPens up the holes a little better. I also rub over the paper with the pounce bag instead of tapping it on there. Makes less mess.
-------------------- Maker of fine signs and other creative stuff. Located at 109 N. Cumberland ave. Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-837-0242 Posts: 4172 | From: Ages-Brookside, Ky. Up the Holler... | Registered: Jul 1999
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The neon supply houses have 36"x75' rolls of carbon paper. It's used to transfer neon layouts. I've used this on a few signs, but prefer to pounce. (If black charcoal powder is too messy, mix it 1/2 with baby powder...you get dark grey...works good on most colors. Also on larger stuff I don't pounce the entire line, just a series of dashes (if doing by hand)...or widen the hole spacing if doing by plotter. Carbon paper doesn't always work well on glossy enamels. Rubbing the back of the pattern with graphite or charcoal works good, as Janette mentioned, but I've always favored pouncing.I like the carbon paper when you need small detail on a white primer background, like say if you were going to paint a pictorial or other rendering.
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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For those who are concerned about those "messy" pounce bags, here's a tip that should eliminate a lot of mess. Keep your pounce bags stored in one of those zip-lok sandwich bags. When you want to use it, grip the pounce bag from the outside of the plastic bag, and turn the bag inside out so that your hand is protected from the dust, by the plastic bag. When finished, simply reverse the motion and turn the bag right side out, zip the bag closed, and store back in your kit.
Another tip: When working with patterns in windy conditions, consider using Tyvek, rather than paper for your pattern. It will not tear, and you can use duct tape to hold it in place. Tyvek also won't disintegrate or rip, should it get wet.
-------------------- Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail: kjmlhenry@rogers.com
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Hiya Randy, saw your post this am, but was heading out, I see lots of great replies.
Here's my loonies worth...
For "carbon" paper without the oiliness of carbon paper, go to Michaels, a great chain out of the states, they're in Canada too, Saral paper, comes in white, blue,yellow,red, about 11" wide by 25', great for detail tracing.
I like to use a charcoal stick to either run over the perforated lines, or "sideways slide" the stick, to cover more area at once.Lightly. Then wipe over pattern with cloth. No dust clouds.
The electropounce is great too.
What are you paintin'??
John Lennig / SignRider
-------------------- John Lennig / Big Top Sign Arts 5668 Ewart Street, Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada bigtopya@hotmail.com 604.451.0006 Posts: 2184 | From: Burnaby, British Columbia,Canada | Registered: Nov 2001
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John Lennig;I am doing a lot of 24"x36" business and cottage signs.I really enjoyed doing the panel swap and even a house number was fun. Finding the wood can be a challange because i recycle old pine and cedar.Thanks again for all replies.
-------------------- Randall Campbell Randy's Graphics, 420 Fairfield N. Hamilton Ontario Canada Posts: 2857 | From: Hamilton Ontario Canada | Registered: Jan 2002
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years ago before I had heard of pouncing...I would just draw my pattern and then rub a charcoal stick or white chalk over the back of the design depending on what color sign it was going on.
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i buy BLACK TEMPRA paint powder, to use as pounce powder. cheaper then charcoal, and will mix into the paint and not change the color of the paint.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I also use the SARAL graphite paper on rolls bought at any "art supply" comes in a varity of colors! As for the (mess of pounce)lightly sand the REVERSE side of pounce,Rub your powder on,blow off excess from your mouth,set with a mist coat of Hair Spray to take the "MESS" factor out.
Hope this helps
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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