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I have a dilemma..........I need some room number signs that meet ADA requirements.....in a HURRY!! I have a customer who is trying to move into a new facility, but can't until he has these in place. All the manufacturers that I've contacted tell me 3-4 weeks minimum.......but I need these......ahem......yesterday! Anyone have any ideas? How 'bout someone w/a router? Engraver? HELP!!!
-------------------- Mike"Spud"Kelly zipperhead design Westminster, MA Posts: 367 | From: Westminster, MA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Mike, To do braille correctly, takes a specialty shop, and most of the ones who know what they are doing are quite busy. Not just anyone with an engraver or router can do it, you still need the drilling font, raster beads (which in most cases you need a license for) raster bead tool, braille translation software, and special bits. You may try to find out about temperary signs for the restrooms and printed temp signs for the rest, and that might buy time from the inspector to grant a certificate of occupancy with the agreement that it will be done later. Usually works here.... Rick
-------------------- Rick Chavez Hemet, CA Posts: 1538 | From: Hemet,CA U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001
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Mike, Scott Sign Systems offers a product that I don't like, but it does meet ADA. They might be able to do better than one month.
The product is a system of stick on letters and braille panels. You send them a list of the text you need and they will send you the pieces. At least that is the way I remember it. I think they were called braille letters.
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For a quickie, you can buy the generic plastic restroom, stairs, etc. signs at Home Depot and cut the braille portion off, paint it the color of your sign, and glue it on. It's not that bad a look and should get you by the inspectors.
-------------------- www.signcreations.net Sonny Franks Lilburn, GA 770-923-9933 Posts: 4115 | From: Lilburn, GA USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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Sonny beat me to it, but if the inspector's not blind I agree that any braille will probably get you by, (& make for a good story talking shop over a beer later)
Otherwise I worked for DeluxeEngraving & Screenprint years ago & they made ADA signs & grade 2 braille with Romark braille applique plastic of your letter color adhered to the copy area of a background colored plaque for engraving the applique depth to reveal the raised letters & engraving "cells" of negative space around rounded ADA compliant braille dots into the background color plaque.
It didn't take too long so give Norm a call if you're still looking.
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I have to politly disagree with Sonny and Dougs advice about using "dummy" copy to trick the inspector into signing off, especially since it will cost you plenty to do it, and the liability involved, there are inspectors being taught to check now, and trying to pass off bad braille might be worse then getting temp restroom and stair signs and getting the permanent later. Put it this way, we get berated here for bad spelling and it does not matter, try doing it on purpose, getting payed for it, and you are displacing a small minority who by law have a right to readable signs. For more information you might also call Sharon Toji at 310.323.5210 she is heavily involved in ADA, has a book that easily explains ADA signage, and they make signs too.
Rick
-------------------- Rick Chavez Hemet, CA Posts: 1538 | From: Hemet,CA U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001
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I think Sonny's idea, at least the interpretation that I could relate to, was that of a temporary solution to get a guy moved into a new building while the 3 week signs were being made. I agree that incorrect braille could present problems, but being denied access to move into a building for weeks is probably a "problem" enough to make the idea a consideration.
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Give Joe Sauters a call. Tell him i referrd you. All he does is Braille signs. He has had quick turnaround for me. He can be reached at either of these numbers: his N.Y. home- 845-895-1608 or in North carolina 252-261-6690 (try the NY number first)
Diane Balch
-------------------- Balch Signs 1045 Raymond Rd Malta, NY 12020 518 885-9899 signs@balchsigns.com http://www.balchsigns.com Posts: 1695 | From: MaltaNY | Registered: Jan 2000
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