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just saw the meat recall(27.4 M I L L I O N P O U N D S ) for listeria. has killed 44 people sofar.....IAM GLAD IAM A VEGITARIAN....
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I'm glad I don't recognize any of the brand names of deli meat that have been recalled. It's terrible that lives have been lost due to a problem.
Though I can't wait to get home to the fresh shrimp, and nice fat Porterhouse the lovely Joanna is grilling for us as I type.
"The recall covers deli meat primarily sold under the company's Wampler Foods brand, though it is also sold under brands including Block & Barrel, Bonos, Golden Acre, Reliance and a variety of private labels. The products include turkey and poultry sold freshly sliced or made into sandwiches at deli counters and in individually sold packages of sliced deli meats. Copied from the American Statesman
-------------------- Jeff Bailey Rapid Tac Inc. Grants Pass, Oregon Posts: 231 | From: Grants Pass, Oregon, USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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That company is only 20 miles away from my house,we have consumed many of their products over the years.It is a clean professinal company when I was trucking I took their products all over the country so read all labels from wampler longacre this is the home of the sundance kid.Joe I just heard today that the fruits and vegtables have some very harmful pestisides sprayed on them [cancer causing] everyone be careful.
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I cut out yeast causing foods one year. No dairy, sugars, fruit, starches. The best year I ever had, lost 30 lbs of toxins, fats, etc. in 6 weeks. My energy soared through the roof (not slimfast commercial, mind you). But I ate an excellent diet of egg omelets and salsa, along with carrot and veggie juices, plenty of water for breakfast... Lunch a huge salad of dark green leafy lettuces and spinach, added fresh broccoli, carrots, tomatoes, sweet onions, shelled sunflower seeds,green peppers, radishes, kidney beans, garbanzo beans, olives, and then I cheated with a touch of olive oil and vinegar (not supposed to have vinegar). That filled me up and I was not craving anything else. Again at supper the same but varied. And I could have all the lean meat I wanted. Lots and lots of water and v-8. sure, I may have thought I would miss milk, cheese and all the bread and fruits but not to have the achy joints and extra weight and fatigue gave me the mental strength to do that. I was cranky for a week, but that was the only side effect. I do believe in vegetarianism and think we should be informed in case it comes to that. I do also wish I were disciplined enough to get back to either of those diets, and would like all the encouragement I can get. ps I also found it to be very helpful in my marriage when your body is in sync, so is everything that belongs to it!
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mmmmm Mark you missed out!! Deb! Wonderful. you should be VERY proud of yourself.. I keep telling myself I'm going to do it too, but I've yet to eliminate the starch, sugar and carbohydrate rich foods. Very glad it's working for you ;-)
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scott, remember iam from pa,30 miles south of mars. i used to have a friend who worked in a packing house(place where they butcher and make hotdogs, bolgona,lunch meats and all the other stuff). he was the 4-12 shift cook/janitor. as for fruits and veggies havin pesticides, i can wash most thing i eat. those i cant, i cook at high heat(wok i use 160,000 BTU fire). went to a backcracker(i was down for a week)he took xrays of my back. i had told him that i been a vegetarian for the last 14 yrs. he looked at the xray and asked my age again, told him iam 57, he said..."well that veggie diet is doin wonders for you, stick with it, your bones look like a 40 yr. olds"!!!
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quote:Originally posted by coop: Eat right, stay in shape, don't smoke, DIE ANYWAY!
Coop, I don't disagree with your statement, and there is even the possibility of cashing it in earlier than some smokers etc. but..... in the process of living I Feeeel Goooood!!!!
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Listeria are a group of bacteria found frequently in the environment. One species, Listeria monocytogenes, can cause serious food-borne illness, listeriosis. Listeria is most often present in raw milk, surface-ripened cheeses and other raw foods including vegetables.
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ok....and your point is......?????? the fact still remains it is in 27.4 MILLION POUNDS OF MEAT, AND HAS KILLED 44 PEOPLE!!!! the CDC in atlanta would consider that an EPEDEMIC if it was smallpox, polio, tb........aperently if in veggies and mike and cheese...it is not doing any harm to anyone, and i eat mine cooked at higher heat then you cook meat at...... i aint seen a recall on brocolli or bok choy!!!!!!!
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quote: At least 120 illnesses and 20 deaths were caused by listeria in eight Northeast states since last summer. The genetic strain that caused those illnesses is different than the strain found at the plant, officials said.
I don't think the sky is falling yet ... but still gonna cook my meat before I eat it.
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dont eat bought bean sprouts, grow my own , same with mung beans and alfalfa sprouts. hummus, we make our own, si gave me the recipe. stawberry's we get local when in season, celery, only eat it cooked. but again rain.....AINT SEED NO BODY DEAD from the ones you pointed out!!!!its still veggie 0, bad meat 44.....DEAD!!!
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OP...I'm not trying to argue with you....just pointing out that Listeria and Salmonella, as well as other bacterias common to animal flesh are also found on just about anything...
Why do you pick on those who don't live the way you do...we're glad you are a vegitarian, that leaves more meat for the rest of us!
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Im not a vegetarian,yet, but I stay away from processed meats like those in the news now. Round here they call "baloney" the poor mans steak. Not mine. I never eat it or ham,etc. Nasty stuff.
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i know rain, you just funnin, and iam not pushin vegetarian living, just point out where this country is going(not only in meat inspection). rob, i dont drink (AA memeber 28 yrs)quit smoking 15 yrs ago(after couple heart attacks)became a vegetarian 12 yrs ago(cholestrol was 305, and within 60 days after i quit eating ALL fleshes, and eggs, i had it checked and it was down to 150)dont drink cokes(quit them about same time as meat)will do a root beer now and then. i drink those CANADA DRY FLAVORED SELTZERS, the ones with no sugar, calories or sodium. and yes iam a "P.I.T.A.(pain in the ass non smoker, dont like to even be around it). as for eating meat that i would raise or hunt, i would probalby still eat that.
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DEATH is a natural part of living. To try to cheat it, extent it, or somehow try to aviod it. Seems to me trying to play God without the qualifications for such an adventure is futile and a waste of time. That is unless you FEAR death so much you are willing to go to ANY means possible to live selflessly. Thank for the information Joe about the "what ifs" Hope this helps
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Having recently met OP live and in person(in Mars) I now have a much better perspective on the source of these occasional missives. For those who have as of yet not had the pleasure, trust me, it's a memorable experience.
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Cam..I have to say that I agree with you!!! Joe IS an experience!! LOL
He is a helluva great guy and a wealth of knowledge (some useful, some not! )
I feel fortunate to have met up with him on a couple of occasions in the past and look forward to the next time now that I am a "N.P.I.T.A.N.S." (NOT pain in the ass non smoker) (8 months and counting!!)
I still like eating meat, but for some reason I have cut down on it lately..Nowadays I eat more chicken and fish than beef and pork, and less of those than I used to as well. Veggies seem to go down better these days...and I have no idea why. Must be Joe's prayers!!!!!!!!! LOL
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rob ..i still have sex, and yes it will kill me...if the wife finds out!!!!!!! cam, thanks, meeting people in person.....is really the only way you can understand them .....and the pleasure was all mine, would like to have spent moretime talkin with ya, dave congrats on the not smokin....and yes, you need to come here on your way to mexico. mike your wife told me you cant raise meat at your age........hahahahahahaha
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heheheheh rain...woks cook better the higher you can get the heat. i have mine set up outside(they will smell a house up)on one of those propane burners you buy, some places they call em "fish cookers" or "turkey deep fryer". these thing get heat up to 160,000 btu, your stove in the house if gas will only do 9,000-13,000 btu. these are what they use in orential restaurants, at least a burner that big if not more. mike she doin well, since she left ya....hehehehehehehehehehe.
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i too have met the great old paint on a couple of occasions. the only thing that bothers me about OP is the asparagus hanging out of his back pockets and tofu oozing out of his shoes. oh yea, the carrot behind the ear has got to go!
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oil fats are broken down into 3 groups...saturated, mono, and polyunsaturated, on the bottle of olive oil i got its 2, 1 & 1 grams. on the bottle of peanut oil it only has saturated and its 2 grams. not sure of which is the worst, but i use peanut oil in the wok because of its ability to take higher heat then other oils, and it dont take as much of it!! Like all fats, oils differ in their molecular structure and are categorized by their degree of "saturation." Without going into too much chemistry, this refers to the arrangement of their carbon atoms and links with hydrogen and oxygen. We've all been sufficiently browbeaten about the heart health risks of saturated fats -- those that remain solid at room temperature. Coconut, palm and palm kernel oils fall into this category, and I wouldn't recommend using them, period.
Monounsaturated oils contain only one double carbon bond and are liquid at room temperature but cloud and thicken when chilled. Olive, canola, peanut, avocado, almond, macadamia and hazelnut oils are monounsaturated fats. High-oleic safflower and sunflower oils are two others. Consuming monounsaturated oils seems to reduce total blood cholesterol and so-called "bad" low density lipoproteins (LDL) without affecting "good" high density lipoproteins (HDL) levels.
Polyunsaturated oils, such as regular safflower and sunflower, walnut, corn and soybean oils, remain liquid whether in or out of the refrigerator. Sesame oil contains close to half monounsaturated and half polyunsaturated fatty acids. Polyunsaturated oils used to be the healthful heroes because they too reduce total cholesterol and LDL, but we now know they also decrease HDL's positive effects. Plus, polyunsaturated oils are chemically unstable, especially when exposed to heat, and are highly susceptible to attack by "free radicals," unbonded oxygen molecules that potentially promote cancer. Still, some polyunsaturated oil is necessary to obtain essential fatty acids.
A final group, superunsaturated oils, such as flaxseed oil, is characterized by three double carbon bonds. These stay somewhat liquid no matter how cold and contain EFAs, including omega-3, not present in polyunsaturated oils. Packed in opaque bottles in natural food store coolers, these oils are primarily used as dietary supplements and should never be heated over 212 degrees Because of their extreme instability, superunsaturated oils are extracted in the absence of oxygen and light by a cold vacuum method called Modified Atmosphere Packing. Try drizzling a bit of flaxseed oil in place of butter on baked potatoes, corn-on-the-cob, steamed vegetables, cooked grains and bread. http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0820/n237/19356348/p2/article.jhtml?term= if yuo want read it all.
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Don't think I can get the stove through the backdoor....but, Sue's comment got me thinking....what if I used Grapeseed oil for my wokking? Equally as good for high heat cooking and very healthy.
Hmmm....and keep it in the frideg, nothings worse for you than rancidity in oils.
You wouldn't believe how many homes I've been in that have an old rancid bottle of oil sitting on the counter! eeew!
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