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i learned a lot from the answers to my post about window splash paint, so i thought i'd ask more!
i haven't been able to get the yellow foam rollers from Home Despot, so i'll start out with the white "mohair" Shur-Line rollers. i'm told you can keep them in a plastic bag or a tupperware, along with some paint, and they wont dry out. how long can you store a roller like that? will it disolve? will the core soften? how long til the paint skims? (this is important, because i don't know how many days i can go between projects).
i'm sure other folks have other questions (somebody already asked about pounce patterns), so feel free to ask and answer them in this thread.
-------------------- :: Scooter Marriner :: :: Coyote Signs :: :: Oakland, CA :: :: still a beginner :: :: Posts: 1356 | From: Oakland (and San Francisco) | Registered: Mar 2001
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Thanks for the opportunity. I have picked up a "trick" on your first thread. Amy...Any time you can use a pattern makes the job turn out more PROFESSIONAL! Standards are as follows Merry Christmas (script & splash letter styles) Seasons Greetings """""" """"" """"" Happy Holidays """"" """"" """""
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OOPPS almost forgot you Scooter I ALWAYS use oil based paint for everything from splashes to walls. This eliminates the need for two(2) sets of brushes,flow enhancers,paints,and techniques. I NEVER go back and clean off the work,as it cost (per hour)just as much! Which most customers have workers to achive the same results. I ALSO mix 50/50 One Shot Lettering and One Shot Poster Paints(both being oil based) As for mentioned "Only use the BEST paints" for the Best results. Hope this helps
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Scooter the sureline rollers are my prefered weapon for splashes,...if you buy the replacement covers in the 2 packs they are cheap enough to be disposable when used in oil based flourescents.When doing flourescents I try to start with any yellows then go to oranges then reds or magentas with the same roller thus saving rollers.As for waterbased paints in this climate they are a no go during the Christmas season due to long drying times in cold weather. In colder weather I use one shot poster white as a base for flourescents as it will dry promptly and the cold won't slow me down. I also do as Pat and mix it half and half with the flourscents for one stroke coverage pastels so the job can be as quick as possible.
-------------------- fly low...timi/NC is, Tim Barrow Barrow Art Signs Winston-Salem,NC Posts: 2224 | From: Winston-Salem,NC,USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hi there Scooter, when i do splashes that have alot of detail i use my projector at home to project the image onto a big piece of paper then i tape it to the window from the inside then i lay a basecoat of white and start paintin,i use normal latex house paint when its warm and one shot when its cold, also i use a black paint pen to out line,hope this big run-on sentence helps ya. Steve
-------------------- "I can draw anything but unemployment" Steve Spiry Madd Artist Murals&Signs Brandon,Mb. Canada Posts: 66 | From: Brandon,Mb. Canada | Registered: Jul 2001
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Scooter....I use the mohair rollers! I use one for each color, some with paint trays, when I am done, leftover paint goes back in the paint buckets, and the rollers are tossed into a 5 gallon pail that is half full of water. Simple matter of rinsing them out when I get back Same with the brushes that I use for outlines and details.
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Brushasaurus on Chat Posts: 8831 | From: La Mirada, CA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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what about pricing? my copy of the 2001 Sign Contractors Pricing Guide suggests $140 for up to 50 square feet (minimum) and $250 for up to 100 square feet. Do you charge the same for holiday stuff? (which tends to be more repetitive, but also perhaps more complex).
-------------------- :: Scooter Marriner :: :: Coyote Signs :: :: Oakland, CA :: :: still a beginner :: :: Posts: 1356 | From: Oakland (and San Francisco) | Registered: Mar 2001
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These guys are all better than me, but I'll throw my two cents in anyways. I use all Radiant florescents and house paints for colors like black white and blue. I mix the Radiant with some tinting base from the hardware store to make it waterproof. I draw my design on the glass with a china marker. (I prefer stabilos but they melt here) I sometimes do some extra shading and artwork with an airbrush because I enjoy it. Some people charge a lot extra for this, but I don't like to punish people for giving me the kind of work that I like to do. I use shurline rollers for large areas, poly foam brushes for most outlines and small text, and occasional lettering brushes for smaller stuff. Waterbased paints don't blend as well with a roller as oils do so when doing a fade I just run two colors (like red and yellow) up against each other loosly and then dab the third color (orange) accross the middle with a sea sponge. It gives a nice bended effect and is very quick and easy. I charge $5.00 per square foot with a $50.00 minimum and add an extra $5.00 - $20.00 for anything that's a pain in the butt; Annoying customers, hedges, slopes etc. I'll scrape an old sign off for free if they want me to paint a new one right then and there, but if they just want it cleaned off I give them the number of a reliable window washer. I have made friends with some guys at a good quality vinyl shop. Whenever my customer wants vinyl I send them there, when their customers want a window splash they give them my number. If we get the job we write each other a check for ten percent. It works out great so far. If you're painting something like fur or hair (Santas beard or trim) don't try to outline it with some zigzag line. Put down a smooth, but slightly wider black outline and then use a ragged brush to wisk in the furry edges over the black. Looks much more lifelike. I get lots of good images from Christmas cards Hope there's something here somebody can use. Have fun.
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