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Just curious..Has anyone heard anything about Sara in the last few months?? I kinda miss her!
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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I miss her too! I always thought her posts were great. There are a few people I miss who don't come around anymore. Posts: 3729 | From: Seattle | Registered: Sep 1999
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I did a people search and she still shows up at her old address and phone number, Dave, but it sure would be nice to hear from Edna,...I miss the intelligent art chats on mirc,...
-------------------- fly low...timi/NC is, Tim Barrow Barrow Art Signs Winston-Salem,NC Posts: 2224 | From: Winston-Salem,NC,USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Maybe it's time we threw a Family Reunion. There are many old faces missing at live meets, as well as here in Letterville. I suggest that each of us take a few minutes this week to contact our missing friends via e-mail and/or phone. Let them know they are missed and invite them to rejoin us. Sometimes just being reminded we are important to each other is all it takes.
In addition to these resourses, the Internet offers a number of search options to locate people and phone numbers. If you know of a resourse, please feel free to add them below.
[ September 22, 2002, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: Steve Shortreed ]
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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Something tells me there is more to the stories I hear as to why Glenn Taylor doesn't stop by anymore. Also where is Jim Upchurch, Henry Barker, Miles Culliane (sp?). LE has been gone for almost a year now. The board isn't much fun as it used to be.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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I know a lot of people in my area who could care less about the BB. Most feel there isn't enough talk about old skills and techniques. To many who either forgot what the letterhead movement was about or never knew or cared in the first place. To many seeking instant gradification. Quick clip art, fonts and what have you. I know this subject has been beat to death, but I'm just telling it how it is with some local folks. I myself have walked away for a spell or two. Personalities clash, feelings get hurt, people leave. I'm sure I will **** people off with this but there is way to much technology talk on this BB. My understanding of the Letterhead movement was to keep the (old) craft alive for future generations. All the live LETTERHEAD meets I have gone to focus on paint, goldleaf, chisels and many other things of the past. I have never seen an Edge fired up other than when some distibutor was hawking their wares. Whenever I have brought this up in the past I have been blasted and will probably get it again now. For those of you who have gotten to know me at live meets you realize I could give a rats ass what others think of me. I personally think this site sometimes goes far beyond the letterhead movement. I also miss the knowledge of some who have decided to leave here. It's your turn, BLAST AWAY!!!
-------------------- Rob Larkham Sign Techniques Inc. Chicopee, Ma Posts: 607 | From: Chester, Ma. | Registered: Apr 2002
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If people are turned off because there isn't enough chatter about the "old ways", then they should get off their arses and post something about the "old ways".
Some of us "old timers" have embraced the new technology, and have incorporated it in with our traditional methods.
This is a proper forum to discuss both the old and the new.
-------------------- Steve Purcell Purcell Woodcarving & Signmaking Cape Cod, MA
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[ September 23, 2002, 08:57 AM: Message edited by: John Deaton III ]
-------------------- Maker of fine signs and other creative stuff. Located at 109 N. Cumberland ave. Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-837-0242 Posts: 4172 | From: Ages-Brookside, Ky. Up the Holler... | Registered: Jul 1999
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I miss a few of these people as well...expecially Glenn Taylor.
Is technology really to blame? Why must we assume that 'heads shouldn't adapt to the times by adopting new technoloies and growing in new ways.
1-SHOT paint must have been new technology at some point in time.
Just the idea that we are using the technology of the worldwide web to discuss keeping the craft alive means we can adapt, adopt and grow.
Why should digital printing be any different? (I'm assuming that this is the "technology" to which you feel too much time/energy is devoted, Rob) It's just another tool; another artistic medium.
The "ULTIMATE" commercial signshop probably has a couple of quills and a gilder's tip, an airbrush or two, an opaque projector, a vinyl cutter or two, and one or two digital printing systems...all in an effort to provide end-users with the best selection of solutions for just about any project. I don't see how this in conflict with the letterhead movement.
Or did I misunderstand your comments altogether?
-------------------- Jon Aston MARKETING PARTNERS "Strategy, Marketing and Business Development" Tel 705-719-9209 Posts: 1724 | From: Barrie, ON, CANADA | Registered: Sep 2000
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If I have anything negative to say at all, it's that the BB has drifted more and more into lots of yada, yada, yada, and less anad less content. More and more self-gratification and back-patting than is useful. I'm sure those who indulge in the latter, will loudly disagree with my opinion.....but it's only my opinion.
Bob........Seems like that's pretty much what I've been sayin for quite some time.........!!
That's what i consider "Kennville", the place where all those folks have moved on to, that just got tired of all the BS here..........
There's a really long list of em gone, if ya want to take the time to try and list them........
This is a good place and has a bunch of good people, and Steve and Barb are dynamite people, but ya can only take just so much of it over the long term, when it's the same thing over and over, and nothing new to keep up the interest.
For people finding this place for the first time..... "IT'S GREAT...!!"
I only come here occasionally anymore, because not much really pertains to me. I do paint and metal, and try to keep adding to my skills all the time, ........I have no interest in computer designing, or vinyl.....and most likely never will.
Someone once told me that I marched the beat of a different drumer, or some such crap............
My response was............
Hell No.....It's "MY" Drum...."I" own it, and "I" play whatever the hell "I" want on it..... !!!
A lot of good folks have left here, and went to "Kennyville", for probably as many reasons as there are people.......That don't make them "Bad" people, or this a "Bad" place...........just movin on, I guess...........
Well.......I gotta get back at it.......Still got a bunch of old skills I gotta sharpen up, and New ones to learn...........
Later...........cj
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-------------------- CJ Allan CJs Engraving 982 English Dr. Hazel, KY 42049
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RE-READ MY POST!!!!! I'm telling you why the people I know in my area and who I travel to LETTERHEAD meets with choose not to post anymore and choose not to join Letterville. I know all the new technologies are big part of our industry. But again read up on the movement and find out why it was started. Yes, it is fine to use this forum to learn new things but I don't see to many wanting to learn from the past. Maybe this place should not be called a Letterhead Community as there are plenty who could give a rats ass what a letterhead is and what the word stands for. How many visit this site on a daily basis? How many of those have ever been to a live meet? A very small percentage. Most don't care. But those are the ones who sure want to pick everyones brain about where to find this, that & the otherthing.
-------------------- Rob Larkham Sign Techniques Inc. Chicopee, Ma Posts: 607 | From: Chester, Ma. | Registered: Apr 2002
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Monte.......... When have you ever opened a thread around here and found the majority of responses even remotely having anything to do with the original post...?? It just don't happen..........Something to do with "Attention Spans", I suppose.....!!
Rob.......... You're absolutely right.......!!
...........cj
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-------------------- CJ Allan CJs Engraving 982 English Dr. Hazel, KY 42049
I am still here, when I get time....have been very busy and when I have logged in have seen posts that I was not really intersted in getting involved with.
Rob, I understand your feelings and frustrations....but then isn't it the "nature of the beast". We can talk about different techniques, and help with current projects, but this very medium does not lend itself to a more hands on approach. If I was at a meet with you and needed help with a panel I am sure you could put me right in a moment (hands on)....often people log on here from home or during a quick break from work, this is like the theory side, and the meets are the practical.
Most of us that participate here have computers, hooked up in some fashion at work, and therefore this is a natural medium to discuss those topics easily, and perhaps its why alot of those topics tend to dominate. Like often attracts like, and I feel lots of people here over the years have shared and share a passion for the work they are in involved in, furthering their own design skills, and learning to share with others, that I thought was what the Letterhead movement was all about, regardless of what medium you are using to achieve this.
I think the things that pull this site down are recent posting like the "Pam saga" and other such postings.
It would have been nice to have helped out encouraged better design and maybe they could have evolved into a "real" creative sign business under a transport wing in the future, with some positive input from here. I drove semis for many many many years in every country in Europe, before moving here from England, and then starting my business, with no previous sign related experience. (10 years ago). We live and learn and should not be so critical of others however they might happen into this business. Life changes and moves on , I don't like everything I see around me today but you carve your own path in life.
We have a company here that makes ink stamps, and have now bought an Edge and do decals, having a plotter they now make signs. I don't see them as a threat or destroying the business, it makes me want to make better signs & designs so as to shine above them.
Sometimes here on the board people are ver quick to take out their own frustrations on others.
Rise above it, give people the benefit of the doubt.
Sara if your reading....I am sorry to hear about the loss of your husband.
I was thinking about you yesterday as I was at Steninge Castle Cultural Centre, looking at an exhibition of Odd Nerdrums latest work together with another nordic artist who is now 70 Kjartan Slettemark www.steningeslott.se
Those of you that remember my 87 hit Odd Nerdrum post from before!.....he had his clothes on this time
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Hey, Lazy spent a couple nights on my couch once! She makes a great house guest! She's house broken and everything!
There is much I enjoyed about Lazy Edna. Her "what you see is what you get" personality, Her frankness, wit and intelligence. Her zest for knowledge, and her "get in there and get dirty" enthusiasm. Well noted in Banff, when she got "sloppy" with Dan Swatszky's crew.
I noticed that her love for family and friends was prevalent in her actions.
She'd immerse herself in a good debate, and could really keep us challenged with insight into the best of discussions on this board.
I've been missing her.
As a footnote. Many folks don't post much, but are still here! They pipe in with some real gems to share every so often, rather than just posting to hear themselves talk. Lots of valuable listeners in our midst!
"We" are this bb. The way I see it, our time here would be best served bettering it, than wasted complaining about it. We're all free to tune in and out of whatever we want and start up discussion of our own interest. With our involvement why not choose to contribute, not contaminate.
Janette
-------------------- "When Love and Skill Work Together ... Expect a Masterpiece"
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Rob Larkham and CJ (and John Deaton too, until he deleted) have spoken very honestly. Letterville is a great place to discuss all types of signmaking & it is a great place for newbies to learn (especially those who really have the passion and desire). As far as keeping the craft alive....when somebody posts about freehand script....or handlettering, very few actually post. Give it a try! Who cares if it isn't as great as the others?? It is great fun to at least try! This is how signmaking all started. Keep the Letterhead movement alive! And yes meets are great fun to attend. But the ones who come here to get quick fast help just to make a quick fast buck without actually knowing or caring anything about good design layout get to be a pain in the ass. (As well as the 2 or 3 who constantly kiss each others ass). The people who post from their heart, even if it doesn't blend with everyone else's view, those who do march to the beat of their own drum are the ones I like to see post. Those who have their own path, but don't just think 'their way is the only way'. I miss those who dare post their not so perfect painted signs. The ones who ask questions but either get zero replies or are made fun of. Letterville is a great mix of great people. Sure we have our disagreements, and don't all get along perfect, but where in the world is 'Perfectville'?
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For what it is worth, I check in about once a week or so and only post when there is a topic that interests me. Sometimes one of you will e-mail me to check a post and write an answer too. I have embraced technology, we have 5 computers running everyday for 2.5 people. I don't stay dialed up nor am I interested in chatting or mundane topics. I am busy running my shop, playing with grandkids, taking care of geriatric parents and taking some time for ourselves once in a great while. As most of you should know, I care a great deal for the Letterheads movement and its perpetuation in all ways. It just does not have to be a daily thing for me, much less time online.
LE.,I'll call.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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I see and understand EVERY ONES point of view!and agree with you all 100% I just can't figuire out if my position is a GOOD thing,or a BAD thing? Hope Sara is alright
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I am still around as well but not as much. some things have happened in my life that i have wanted for a long time and so my appetites have changed a bit. I am still banging out the signs but i am doing other things which take up my time. like someone once said 'the best time management tool that there is, is this
quote:"if you do this, then you can't do that"
' think about it for a while. if anybody wants to know more then email but the board isn't the place for it.
take care for now and for the future
-------------------- Miles Cullinane, Cork, Ireland.
From the sometimes sunny south of Ireland, Posts: 913 | From: Cork, Ireland | Registered: Jul 1999
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If any of you hear from Edna, please give her my best too. I always was enlightened by her posts, kind of going to graduate school without leaving home! Thanks, LE- it would be exceptional to see you here again, even if you just poked your head in. Deb Fowler ...yes, LE is one of a kind, that's for sure.
-------------------- Deb Fowler
"It's kind of fun to do the impossible - Walt Disney (1901-1966) Posts: 5373 | From: Loves Park, Illinois | Registered: Aug 1999
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