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In Omega as in GA the user can design on any material s/he desires, firings have nothing to do with the design until you go to Plot. In Plot it is very important to make sure (through substitution) that you have the correct material selected. This will insure that the correct EDGE firing rules for the material / foil combo are correct, and when cutting the material the correct cutting rules are adhered to for plotters that support programming configuration (speed, pressure, etc).
The EDGE firing rules are strictly a material family (225, LexEdge II, etc) and any foil. The Color of the material does not come into play. This is one of the reasons you see 255 and 225 Clear Enamel Receptive as to different materials, we had to break out the CER because it printed totally different then the rest of the 225 family.
I hope this makes sense, if not let me know.
Tony
-------------------- Tony Teveris Gerber Software Engr South Windsor, CT Posts: 92 | From: South Windsor, CT | Registered: Apr 2002
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Jon, if it's my Lexan smearing problem you're referring to, that's not exactly how it was corrected. I chose to "lie" to the Edge and tell it I was using beige foil, then when it wasn't looking, I'd pop in the white foil instead. The settings for the beige foil are apparently lighter than those for white, so that HELPED the smearing problem. It has not been eliminated.
Generally, the material settings should be the same whether you select the material from Composer or from Plot; however, it has been known to happen that a material selection in Composer is "pointing" to the wrong settings, which is definitely a software problem. I had this happen with Brushed Label Stock and the result was to ALWAYS make the material selection in GSPPlot.
I'm not at all convinced that the current material settings for Lexan have been unchanged, because none of my jobs which have been running well for a couple of years using normal settings are running properly at all since the recent rounds of upgrades. I'm now set at LIGHTEST for both normal and overprint on Lexan, and when that doesn't work I start telling lies. I hate telling lies - it's so hard to keep them all straight.
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My ISP guy just left my house, we've been working on the site since 5:30, we changed somemore stuff around for the better & I hope to have 4EDGETALK.com back online the beginning of the week. So it's time to start checking in!
BTW has anyone heard from Glenn? Later Gary
-------------------- Gary Wiant Vinyl Graphics Unlimited Shippenville, PA Posts: 66 | From: Shippenville, PA U.S.A. | Registered: Mar 2000
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Doug, I think my problems started when I installed the materials upgrade for 1.54 that came with the roll of PVC material I bought. I can't really substantiate that, but it seems around the same time frame. I thought it might be my machine running too hot, but Gerber was getting the same results with my files, so it wouldn't seem to be machine related. They say the firings haven't changed, but something must have because the output on Lexedge is now drastically different for me.
Anyway, I don't think it's 1.56 that is causing problems. I like the new features and I haven't had any trouble with this version, so I'd go ahead and upgrade.
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The problem with Diane's LexEdge is that when "white foil" is tested on materials as a backing (or overprint) foil we assume that the white will be printing on CMYK foils (4 layers of foil) so that the settings are real "hot" on LexEdge. Of course you don't see a lot of LexEdge jobs with CMYK foils. In Diane's case she was only printing over 1 or 2 other foils and in some cases the white was printing right on the LexEdge itself. When printing on the LexEdge itself at the "hot" settings Diane was experiencing a "smearing" problem. Through trial and error (sorry about that Diane) she substituted Beige for the White foil and whos settings for "overprint" are not as "hot".
In the future the Materials Group will have to take this into account when formulating the fireings.
Everyone should upgrade to Omega 1.56, we have shipped over 4500 copies to date with very good reviews. And all you GA Edge users out there need to upgrade, Omega is only going to get better.
Tony
-------------------- Tony Teveris Gerber Software Engr South Windsor, CT Posts: 92 | From: South Windsor, CT | Registered: Apr 2002
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Tony, with all respect, Omega "HAS" to get better.. it is full and I mean full of problems. I've been using Gerber gear for about 10 years, I have omega... on my shelf, and that's where it's going to stay until I see the changes and upgrades that it needs. I have 3 workstations loaded up with 6.21 and they work great, yes they should have some of the features omega has, but they should "NOT" have the problems Omega has. I believe an Upgrade is in the works, around Oct. am I right?
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Not to answer for Tony, but if your still using 6.21 to run Edge jobs than how can you talk about Omega's problems? I have no problems with Omega at this point whatsoever. If I remember correctly 6.21 had its own as well.
At this point with 1.56 out, using 6.21 to run Edge jobs is like still using windows 3.1.
Sorry to be so harsh but the water is safe now to go swimming, there are no sharks in Omega.
Load that sucker up and see what you've been missing
-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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I agree with Bob, I'm a Flexi guy & Flexi is Very stable, and with that said, I have more problems with Flexi then I do with Omega 1.56, dranted the 1st Version of Omega was BAD, but Gerber has done an excellent job getting it straightened out
Later Gary
-------------------- Gary Wiant Vinyl Graphics Unlimited Shippenville, PA Posts: 66 | From: Shippenville, PA U.S.A. | Registered: Mar 2000
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Now you don't honestly think I never had this software loaded up do you? C'mon give me some kind of credit. I gave it almost 2 months on my system, before I had to take it off, or else the little hair I had left on my head was going to be gone. Like I said there are features I loved, but the bad outweighed the good. I was running 6.21 on 2 other stations for my 2 graphic designers... I had the omega loaded up on my system. The system is not suppose to shut off in the middle of designing is it? or am I wrong. You can't "lock" in an Image, Try designing over a bitmap of a customers vehicle in omega, it's a nightmare, and we do tons of vehicles. When you save down to 6.21 from Omega it corrupts the file, changes cut lines, colors, and the file becomes huge or at least the computer thinks it's huge because becomes slooooowwwww! Like I said I believe there's an upgrade, but I hope the upgrade fixes those problems, I'd love to be able to use it, but as it is... no way!
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Neil's right about designing on top of a bitmap...it's impossible. When we have to do this we use "other" software, then import the result into OMEGA. Neil's point is that we shouldn't have to be using "other" software. OMEGA is expensive enough that it should have basic features like locking an object so it isn't selected when you click on it. Try NOT clicking on a bitmap when it's your entire background!
If you've seen some of the work Neil has posted you'll see why this is such a big issue for him. We recently took a page out of Neil's book and bought a digital camera so we can design right on the customer's car, building, whatever. That's when I realized OMEGA was completely futile for this type of operation.
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Neil, I think most of the problems you mentioned have been addressed in Omega 1.56 except the image "lock" which will be in the next release along with some other goodies that I can not mention at this time.
Reminder: Omega 1.56 is a free update
Next release in Oct - NO, maybe before 2003 - YES
Tony
-------------------- Tony Teveris Gerber Software Engr South Windsor, CT Posts: 92 | From: South Windsor, CT | Registered: Apr 2002
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Thanks for the support Dianne, I knew another East Coaster would come to my rescue. Hello Tony, "In my opinion" Omega is useless until you can lock images, The software should "NOT" have been released until that feature was included, it's a downright shame. Just imagine or you yourself try and design vector images over bitmaps, like this van shown. We do hundreds of these type of jobs a year, and to design these in omega is Impossible.
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Hi all, sorry to drop off the board but I was working the Charlotte BIG Show. Had a great time! Next show I'll be at is SGIA, October 30-Nov 2 in St. Louis.
Jon, You do look like a jolly Santa I will apologize right here and now for mis-speaking. I (as many do) have a tendency to occasionally use anecdotal evidence as fact, though not often. Here, I have gone by what our multi-line distributors have told me.
When I said "best surface consistancy, and being the cleanest from the factory rolls you can buy." I broke my own rule in using an absolute statement (which I hate to do personally and professionally) for which I have an extensive philosophy I won't bore anyone with
Our surface consistancy and cleanliness is AMONG THE BEST in the industry and I often tell people that 3M is the performance bar I like to measure our HP films against as they are long known as the best in the industry.
I'll stand by my other statements and Jon, email me so I'll have your address and we can talk more offline. I look forward to it!
-------------------- Kenneth Sandlin Author of "Wide Format Printing: An Introduction and Buyer's Guide" PO Box 1295 St. Augustine, FL 32085 kennethsandlin@msn.com http://wfprinting.tripod.com Posts: 116 | From: Jacksonville, FL | Registered: May 2002
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You're alright, my friend. Kudos for your most recent post.
Heck knows we can all get carried away from time to time.
Watch for my e-mail, and take care.
-------------------- Jon Aston MARKETING PARTNERS "Strategy, Marketing and Business Development" Tel 705-719-9209 Posts: 1724 | From: Barrie, ON, CANADA | Registered: Sep 2000
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Thanks for the retraction/clarification Ken. I like to tell stories, & exaggerate or embellish often for emphasis. I do agree that there is nothing like an "absolute" statement to instantly waterdown any credibility that may have existed.
quote:1000% increased UV resistance
I had to laugh though, when I ran across your reply to my "grafitti protection" post. $3.95 per sq. ft. is pricey, but with those percentages...
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