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I sometimes help out guy in neighboring town who is trying to get a start in the sign business...he brings me the info and I try to help him out with design which is an aspect he needs a lot of help with...these would be dimensional and quite a challenge for most any accomplished sign maker...but he says he would like to give it a go...the client would like a creek to represent the name as well as grapes in the design...maybe a little much for a sign but here are 3 that I came up with for him...I offered a simpler version "B" as an option for the client to view...maybe the simpler version would be more successful as a sign...I'm not sure so I'm asking if anyone has a preference among these 3 and maybe why they prefer it over the others.
I will change the font on the lower plaque...the numbers are not good for me.
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Personally, I think "B" represents the winery business best.
All three are excellent, as usual, but "A" and "C" look more like signs for a trout fishing or canooing business rather than a winery.
If the client wants the "Big Creek" aspect incorporated maybe reverse the images in example "C"? (Smaller "landscape" at top and bigger "grape cluster" in the center?
Just my impression.
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Dave I'm thinking "B" as well...however I'm afraid that if we reverse "C" like you suggest then the landscape being detailed as it is now becomes so small it is useless in the design.
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I like the new "A" version. Great suggestion Dale!
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Really nice work. Before the revision, I was going to say I like B best, but, somebody's going to gripe about the creek being absent. So it comes down to A or C. The frame around the creek pictoral in C draws enough attention to it to take away the competition it had with the grapes in A. But the revision takes care of all that.
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Another I had not thought of...for this one the client would have to forego his preference to include the creek...I would try to convince him that simplicity is more effective and to be careful of too many elements in a sign...of course the name and address would be put in and the cluster of grapes defined better before carving...probably just the right cluster of grapes is sitting out there somewhere but this is a freebie design for a young sign maker I know and right now good enough for the client to view.
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That's OK too, Rusty; but I still like the revision with the creek in the middle. I know it's more involved, work-wise; but to me, it just brings the whole 'big creek' concept into the picture.
Obviously, it's still your call.
Either way, really nice!
What software do you use, if I'm not being nosey?
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Dale...it's really not my call...this goes through another sign guy and then to the client...I will never see the client...I'm just offering options to them.
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I like Revision A the best. Very classy looking, warm and inviting. Another option is to see what they have for a label. Actually in my case the winery liked the lettering on my sign design so much he changed his label. He bought the files for his name from me and used them on his wine labels. Maybe Big Creek Winery has a label that would work as part of the sign design.
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Dave... the reverse of what happened to you may happen here...again I am not in contact with the winery so I only know through this middle man...they are a new winery...they have not developed a label or logo...he has said there may be consideration to apply elements of the sign design to the labeling if they like it enough...and that brings up an interesting question...I am doing the design as a favor for the the sign man...just trying to help him get the job...however if the winery wants to use the design in there labeling I would need to personally charge for that...if that occurs and in what format would I need to send to facilitate printing and what what would be a fair price for the art work...I've never done that before.
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I like all of them, but B if I had to choose. Would probably be nice if the graphic broke out of the border a bit.Other than that, I like the first 3 and all of the revisions.
Grandpa Dan with a Tennessee accent. Nice stuff as always?
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Rusty, you might want to send an email to David Smith in England. He's done booze labels recently. You'd have to change pounds to ounces or something like that, though.
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Don...really good to hear from you buddy...seems like our personal preferences are often the same...and I think on this one as well...great suggestion to have the grape clusters spill over the edges...the overlapping will add a lot of dimension...thanks.
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Rusty, I'm particularly always impressed with your installation designs. These alone could make one h3ll of a book, even with no layouts included...just blank install designs.
Signcraft or Signs of the Times might be interested in helping you out with a project like that. ...or even a dvd with vectors of same. Now that would be terrific "clip art" with a different slant to it. Hey, you're retired. Why not squeeze a few more dollars out of all those years of skills and talent...without having to dig any more post holes?
I'd highly recommend Ron at letterheadsignsupply.com. He's pretty darn good at marketing this kind of thing, too.
Just food for thought. I would think you would have a boatload of vector install designs on your hard drive already.
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Rusty, your designs are beautiful and it's hard to make a choice, partially because you have so much imagery in there, which is not so typical of sign design. How would you propose that these designs be constructed...hand paint those images flat...apply them as digital prints...do the grapes perhaps as a dimensional element...or something else? I do prefer the arched top sign frame and I do think you definitely need to propose a whole design package with the sign, labels, table covers, business cards, etc.
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Again someone else will be building this...but given my capabilities this is how I would personally make these 2 designs...any other suggestions of different methods would be appreciated and I'll pass it on.
a cheaper rectangular version...flat mdo background with all other elements raised... including borders... with 1" hdu
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In my market, it would likely be printed vinyl on coroplast. And they'd opt for attaching it to two fence posts.
In all fairness, there is some nice signage in this area, but you're going to burn through some gas looking for them.
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I prefer not breaking up the Big Creek, and Winery. Your last one is terrific, Rusty.
But... what about enlarging the B and the K a smidgin, so they overhang winery a tad, and arcing BigcreeK a tweak ?
(I prefer the idea of Big Creek and Winery being of slightly different emphasis each, rather than being totally the same)
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I like them all. I suspect that C would be the easiest for a newbie to make though, both the carving and pictorial are smaller and a bit less intimidating and because of that if they are a bit rough it won't be as noticeable.
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Seriously tho' Rusty - the layouts are amazing. I love your art - depth - any art with the receding perspective fading into light or a point is very inspiring to me. I find myself trying to fit it in to any sort of landscape bc it just draws you in - not only visually, but emotionally & philosophically.
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