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Can you recommend one? The cartridges should be reasonable as well. I going to use it in a studio painting with oil-based paint.
Thank you!
-------------------- Mark Bachman Bachman Studio Great Barrington, MA USA http://www.signart.pair.com Posts: 83 | From: Great Barrington, MA, USA | Registered: May 1999
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Just go to NAPA, and buy one of theirs. They're not too expensive, and the filters are easily replaceable.
Oil based paint isn't too toxic, in comparison to some other finishes. You don't need anything exotic. I've painted cars, wearing mine, with urethanes, and it worked fine.
-------------------- Dale Feicke Grafix 714 East St. Mendenhall, MS 39114
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unless you are spraying...........paint with hardners or catalysts.....(rolling brushing)the most you need are the paper mask. automotive a/e with hardner, urathanes...lacquers definitly need the one dale recommends.
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Thanks, Joe. I'm really in an enclosed area, so I'm going to go the way Dale suggested. Paper masks I use for particulate dust; oil-based paint (such as sign paint) I use organic vapor respirators.
-------------------- Mark Bachman Bachman Studio Great Barrington, MA USA http://www.signart.pair.com Posts: 83 | From: Great Barrington, MA, USA | Registered: May 1999
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While we're on the subject (I think the above recommendations are OK) I want to say a word about the 3M forced air respirator. At least I think that's what it's called. I used one, whatever it's called. First, before you get into any repeated painting with the 2 part urethanes, or any paint with a hardener, you might want to look at the new regulations that came out a few years ago. Some serious new rules there. I read the manual, it seemed to be implying that there are no regulations, or at least seriously reduced regulations; if you use those paints with a brush or roller. Usually impossible, but it can be done, I did a huge project that way, but that's another topic. Back to this topic, the 3M respirator. It probably costs more than $1000, but man, is it SWEET. Literally. The air is so clean and sweet. It has a battery powered pack that you wear on your belt. This pack has a fan and canister-filter unit. The hood encloses you whole head, with a full face shield of clear plastic. The plastic shield has a thin, disposable, clear liner that goes on the outside, to catch overspray. I used one while painting a single stage urethane (probably Dupont Imron) on a railroad locomotive. This included inside the cab. The inside of the cab is very utilitarian, all metal. The only cushions are on the seat. I think the dimensions are 6.5 feet by 8 feet by 6.5 feet. Not a lot of room to be emitting that much paint. There's a metal control panel in the middle of the cab. Conditions don't get much more trying than this. I expected the shield to be covered with overspray; and that I would need to be careful with my movements, because turning your head and bending your neck can let fumes seep into your respirator, trust me. I expected to need to change the outer plastic 2 or 3 times. But none of that. After all the spraying in that little area, I could hardly tell there was overspray on the shield. Seriously. Like some awesome material from another planet. No exaggeration. The air was sweet the whole time. It's forced into the respirator, so there's positive pressure always. It's not often you run into a product or service you can rave about, but this 3M forced air respirator is one. Cannot say enough good things about it.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
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How big is your enclosed area? If you don't have an exhaust fan, you might keep the shop door or man door open a tad to release some of the paint fumes. You might wear the mask while you are painting, but what about the drying time when you are inhaling paint fumes in the air?
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I leave the shop when the paint is drying. I'm retired, and can afford to do this. I will rid the shop with an exhaust fan as soon as I am done. It's getting cold out East, and I can't afford to have much warm air escape.
-------------------- Mark Bachman Bachman Studio Great Barrington, MA USA http://www.signart.pair.com Posts: 83 | From: Great Barrington, MA, USA | Registered: May 1999
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Mark...When I needed to spray paint in the winter I used a 200V electric heater. I placed it on the outside of the inlet filters of the spray booth and when I had the exhaust fan running, even in the middle of Canadian winter, the temperature in the spray booth was hot enough to keep me sweating.
They are cheap enough and you only use it when you need it. Something like this..
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Locally there is a 38 yr old man who was a auto body painter. He was good at it. Well known and in demand. But, he never wore a respirator.
A couple years ago he suddenly found himself unable to catch his breath. Promptly entered a hospital and found his lungs were just about gone. He developed CHS congestive heart failure as well. And is now living his last days on a green bottle. he has to sit in a chair doing nothing but watch the tube. Such a sad way to end. All over being to busy to don a good respirator. His honey left him. She told him so many times to wear breathing protection but he said it ain't hurting him.
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I spent 25 years in the body work business, before transitioning into the sign business.
I always wore a dust mask when doing sanding work and wore a respirator and a coated paper suit from when I started mixing paint until I was finished spraying.
Sorry to hear of someone that young (but that silly) suffering from feeling that he was invincible.
I am still hanging around, in good health, just to throw in the occasional jab at OP!!!!
Everyone...wear breathing protection even if you are just brushing paint. It beats being dead.
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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The positive pressure respirators are really the best way to go for spraying polyurethanes, or any paint that uses an isocyanate in the catalyst.
I have heard all my adult life, though never actually seen any science on it, that a carbine cartridge mask is not adequate to trap isocyanates —that they get through anyway because they're so small.
1000 dollars seems like a lot of money till you compare it to the money you might spend on healthcare treatments once something goes wrong. 1000 is a drop in the bucket.
-------------------- Brad Ferguson See More Signs 7931 Wornall Rd Kansas City, MO 64111 signbrad@yahoo.com 816-739-7316 Posts: 1230 | From: Kansas City, MO, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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i can say your right brad. i sprayed a bathtub with A/E and hardner......with a carbon canister mask. IT DIDNT WORK!!!!! spent the next 48 hours thinking i was gona die. i had the door open in the bathroom, and good sized fan in the window in blowing the air OUT. stll didnt help. i also worked as an outside sales at NAPA and was the PAINT & BODY shop saleman. so i was well aware of what this stuff does.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I preferred spraying with a full positive pressure hood over a cartridge mask. With the hood you stay cooler, and it's easier when you have to wear glasses as well.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5396 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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I long while back, Bobbo Dunn told me about the time he was spraying Imrom without wearing a respriator. He said that afterward he had blood coming out of his nose. I'll never forget that one.
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