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After a few setbacks, I'm back to building my 5-axis CNC foam cutter. I discovered that it was more complex than it appeared and that I needed aluminum and plastic parts for the motion control and even for the CNC controller. So I ended up designing the parts myself using my signmaking program for the vectors and Aspire for the 3D toolpaths.

When I had difficulty finding someone local to machine the parts I discovered that, with a little know-how, they can be machined on the "pea shooter". Then I got to thinking; you know, I could use the router to make metal and plastic parts for other people, in addition to my sign business. Here's a business card design for the project...
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The parts on the left are some of the components I designed for a contraption called an "omega drive". This is made to fit on the 25 series 80/20 aluminum frame of the foamcutting machine. The springs fit on the little 'knobs' on both pieces and will use the "t-slots" of the extrusions for a channel to slide in. This whole unit will do three things; it will transfer power from the stepper motors via a timing belt, the springs will be in constant tension to keep the belt tight, and the wheel configuration will help to minimize 'backlash' from the g-forces when the belt changes directions. The other part, to the right, is a specially designed motor mount for attaching a NEMA 23 stepper motor to the 80/20 extrusion. The cutout sections were meant to reduce weight and minimize G-forces and hopefully help to eliminate any backlash problem...
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This one was designed for the bottoms of the two Y axis uprights. I found that the best "linear bearings" for this task was skateboard wheels and designed it accordingly..

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...and here is the "skateboard wheel part" mounted on the bottom of the y axis. The uppermost part, mounted on the linear rail, rides on Bishop-Wisecarver V bearings and though it is very tight, it slides very well.
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Welding the inside frame for the Foamcutter's bed.
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The frame parts, ready for painting. The 'feet' are adjustable to make sure the bed will be as perfectly level as possible.
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One of the two main bearing mounts made of 1/2'' thick aluminum.
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...machined on the Shopbot with a plastic prototype used for test-fitting...
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I needed some stand-offs of uniform thickness for the linear guide mounts and couldn't seem to find what I needed on Ebay. So I had some .1875 Plexiglas on hand and made them out of that...
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...two if the standoffs with a button-head bolt, ready to mount...
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Drilling the mounting holes in the guides, made of cold rolled steel...
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The contraption I used to make the bevels on the steel guides...
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One of the 90 degree bevels
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This is the input/output panel of the CNC controller, designed in SignWizard and cut out on the Bot from a piece of .040 sign aluminum. The top two holes are for an on/off switch and a computer power receptacle to snap into. The next two are for fuse holders and the next cluster of four are for a USB port, two ethernet ports and a parallel port. The six at the bottom are for modular audio jacks; great for connecting power to stepper motor cables.
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The control box, designed for a solar power system, was perfect for my needs. Here I have masked it with a piece of paint mask to cut out the hole for the cooling fan and a rough rectangle to be cut out with a sabre saw for the output panel.
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The finished panel installed. The motor cable jacks had to be disassembled and soldered, which I'm not too good at...yet.
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The controller in action. Now if I can just get the mechanical stuff completed, I can get this contraption making signs. [Smile]
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This is a representation of how the foam cutter will look from the loading end. The uprights look wide but this is only an aluminum composite dust cover to hide the motion controls. The horizontal bar at the top can be easily removed for doing taper cuts, if needed, but will probably be left on most of the time. Hopefully, this one will be capable of cutting two 120cf blocks of foam simultaneously. If anyone has a better suggestion for the font I'm open to to that.
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Outstanding work Wayne. How do you hold the foam blocks in place while cutting?

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Thanks Dave,
That's a good question. I was thinking only gravity would be sufficient. The bed, 3/4 plywood, will be textured with polyurethane spray-on truck bedliner, then sprayed with DTM acrylic latex. I'm hoping this will provide a little extra grip. Is that going to stick?
In addition to that, there will be limit switches installed at both ends of the cutting wire so if the wire ever loses power/heat and tries to catch and pull the foam, it will hit a limit switch first, at either end, and "e-stop" the CNC controller immediately.

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Amazingly impressive, Wayne.
What are the other two axes past #3 meant to do?
Is one rotary, or do you plan to have tilt in X & Y ?

With a photo back near the top you talk about a tensioner for the timing belt. Our router has timing belts on all three axes, and they're tightened by simple 'pull firlmy and then do up the screws tightly' . Backlash and looseness has not been a problem for me, anyhow - not with the confines of the ancient system that it is.

Very Well done!

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Thanks Ian, Yes the 5th axis is to be a rotary "turntable". Both the X and Y have twin motors which will be slaved together for most cutting. For taper cutting, they can move independently.

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Is your timing belt router accurate and fast?

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These are my first pressed-on and pressed-in bearings and they are tight. The one on the left is a little too tight actually even though the press put it in there effortlessly. I will have to add about .002 inches to the diameter of the circle in the computer file of the part, then machine another one. Then the bearing will turn freely.
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I am incredibly impressed with your work.

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A lot more interesting than seeing Old Paint redo his bathroom.

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Is that bathroom not done yet?

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YOU DA MAN, WAYNE !!


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Thanks guys. I'm hoping to have this thing finished soon, so I can make some signs with it.

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Impressive

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Thanks Craig.

Today, I pulled off the 127'' left side linear rail from the x axis because it just doesn't slide as well as the right one does. I will run my grinding jig over it again to lightly re-machine the 90° v on it's edge and if the axis still doesn't slide smoothly enough, I'll have to make another. But I think it should work.

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The 'decorative; panels are installed, stepper motors, x axis drive systems, trusses installed and welded, 16 leveling feet installed and machine is leveled. Now I have to design a carrier bracket for the drag chain assembly. After the drag chains and tracks are installed, both sides of the x axis will be completed. I have all the parts designed, machined, and ready to assemble on the Y axis except the linear guides. I will make those next. They will carry a light load so will be made of machined aluminum, unlike the steel ones for the x, which had to carry much more. I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Wayne has the engineering gene in his DNA to go along with his design and fabrication talents...very impressive.

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Thanks Rusty, I am having a blast building this contraption. It will be even more fun if we make some signs/money with it.

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Got caught up on sign work yesterday afternoon and installed the little v bearings on the y axis "cars". There will be several parts mounted to each of these, including the timing belt, spring/hotwire, the cable drag chain, and a couple of limit switches.
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Sorry for not replying sooner, Wayne.
Our router began life as an Esab Signmate with 14 ft rails and a pneumatic Z axis in 1989.
It was gutted & retrofitted with Tekcel controls and a motorised Z axis in 2001. All servo driven.

I bought it in about 2008, and have replaced 'a few' parts. It's capable of 8" per sec, or 200 mm/sec, but I don't run it at that speed at all - it depends on the capacity of the material, and the geomettry of the cutter.

Accuracy - the software can handle hundredths of a millimetre, but realisticaly the apparently non-existant backlash in the gears would negate a few thou.
Its accuracy is fine for all my needs - hardwood, urethane, acrylic, polycarbonate, dibond/ACM, solid aluminium & brass we've engraved and shaped. Aluminium would be my least favourite.

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Thanks Ian. You mention 'gears': Is yours run on rack and pinions or timing belt? If so, what is the size of the belt?

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Wayne, the X & Y axes have a long rack of about 1" square steel with teeth milled in, bolted to them.
There's a gearbox with a gear or cog at the bottom that meshes with the rack, and a strong spring to hold it against the rack.
The top end of the gearbox is connected to the servos with a timing belt (toothed)

The Z axis used to have a square thread Acme screw and a delrin (low friction) nut but it gave me terrible problems when doing lithophanes, spo I scrapped it, and put a ballnut & lead screw to suit, in. The top end is a timing gear connected via timing belt with the servo's timing gear.

I've forgotten the designation of the belts, but they're about 1/2" wide or thereabouts, and each tooth is about 1/8", but I can look it up - I bought several spares after one broke one day.

Having the rack gearboxes held againt the rack via a spring, means that if something has to give, for whatever reason, it can.
You can push a cam against it, and release it and move the spindle & gantry all over the place for clearance when you want, in a hurry - but you'd need to re-engage it and re-zero or home it afterwards.

As far as aclibration goes, there are something like 647.85 encoder steps per one millimetre of X & Y travel in the driver. I know that's a weird figure, but it is accurate at that setting.
When I got it , it was set on about 480 or something where the inaccuracy was not of much consequence milling holes in MDF in small pieces.
I went to cut the perimeter of an Alupanel sign that had to be 3035mm long, and it short-changed me and cut it way too short - I managed, but that's when I woke up to the error in the setting.

It's pretty good now for accuracy - a 12 foot panel can be perimeter cut and comes out at exactly 3660mm long with a tapemeasure as well as i can read it.

The Z axis is a different figure - around 400 encoder marks or steps per mm I think - or it could be more - I've forgotten - but the ballnut lead screw has a 5mm pitch, and the timing gears on top have about a 10 to 40 tooth ratio, which is easy to work with, so 4 revs of the servo to 1 rev of the lead screw or 5mm travel.

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Thanks Ian,
I was planning to build my next project with servos and rack/pinions too. I had just thought you meant yours was powered only with timing belts and I had never heard of that.

Racks are very strong and plenty accurate enough for what we do. Ball screws are probably the most accurate but they are too pricey for long axes. Short ones like your z are OK.

I guess the timing belt transmissions are used for smooth operation, no?

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I don't know, Wayne - the timing belt aspect was on it to begin with. It's very practical. There would be pretty high accuracy & no backlash. They're not very stretchable at all.

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What are you all talking about?

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Dennis...I think it's a secret project for the military...Webb Signworks is just a front for the operation.

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I wish...
I haven't even succeeded in landing a government sign project above the state level.

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