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I have gone acrylic for my longest lasting signs outdoors and I use urethanes for my vehicle striping and small 1 stroke lettering.
I still like having 1 Shot around for misc. lettering and interior signs as I feel that the alkyd paints such as those are better suited when not exposed to outdoor weather.
I recently ran out of 1 Shot white and ordered some and when I opened the can I got a wiff of a totally new smell. Somebody else told me recently they experienced that. The smell was almost similar to urethanes. Has this paint been reformulated again?
-------------------- Bill Diaz Diaz Sign Art Pontiac IL www.diazsignart.com Posts: 2107 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Dec 2001
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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This supplier has dropped the ball in past reformulations, and apparently still hesn't learned the lesson. It's IMPORTANT to customers, to be informed of any change to the product that they're buying. They have to be AWARE of the change so that they can properly evaluate the suitability of the product for their uses. To arbitrarily make a substantial change without any sort of notification is inviting the customer to go elsewhere when the product purchased doesn't live up to expectations.
Sure, they might THINK that the changes made are improvements, but wouldn't it be a matter of simple courtesy to keep their customers informed of such decisions, and the thought process leading them to believe that they've made some improvement ? Past reformulations have done little except to tarnish their image and product. They've gone from a paint that one could once swear by, to one that many now swear at.
Too bad to, because in their heyday, there wasn't many other paint suppliers who had anything close to their standards.
-------------------- Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail: kjmlhenry@rogers.com
Why do I get all those on-line offers to sell me Viagara, when the only thing hardening is my arteries ? Posts: 2684 | From: London,Ontario, Canada | Registered: Feb 1999
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!-Shot might have been the paint of choice in the past, only because it was easy to pronounce, yet even back then, Chromatic was far superior, even Kent Smith will agree..
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I Spoke with Brian couple day ago, and this what he told me.
That odor is the result of a cleaning process employed between runs. A new chemical was used to clean the equipment and it resulted in that odor. It has no effect on the paint itself.
-------------------- Sal Cabrera Signs By Sal New Freedom , PA
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It is what it is and it isn't what it used to be. It may get better and then it may not. PPG has purchased the company and there are high hopes that they will fix things. PPG doesn't have a lot of credibility with me as I remember all the fanfare regarding their line of striping urethanes that never came out. Talk is cheap. If it gets fixed, great, if it doesn't there are other options.
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6713 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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FOR THOSE IN THE SOUTH...have you ever tryed BLP PAINT??? they have a product i have used is a lot like the old 1-SHOT. their name for it is NAM-A-LAC. i have used this for background colors, only 5-6 colors available....high gloss oil based, for me, but they have a latex line also. you can go to there web page or look here and then look at the material makeup and PDF for the product. http://www.blpmobilepaint.com/arch_prod_int_alkydfinishes.html
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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George is right about 1-Shot's ownership. It is now part of the Matthews Paint family, all part of PPG. Matthews now also owns Chromatic and the Spraylat brands, Lacryl and Signstrip.
Some have wondered about Gripflex plastic paint. Gripflex paints were discontinued by AkzoNobel in December of 2013. They have been replaced by Grip-Gard BC translucent paints. They claim Grip-Gard is better and easier to use.
-------------------- Brad Ferguson See More Signs 7931 Wornall Rd Kansas City, MO 64111 signbrad@yahoo.com 816-739-7316 Posts: 1230 | From: Kansas City, MO, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Outside of Bill Diaz and George Perkins, you're all just a bunch of neanderthal's who were too lazy years back to find paints that work best for your situation. Instead of having two or three products on the shelf which work best you eventually found it easier tho complain, similar to having a medicine in the cabinet which states ' Cure All '
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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who pee'd in your 1 SHOT????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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He just felt the need to create a "Fiasco" by "Hassle"ing folks!!!!
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Joey...I know what you meant....I was just referring to a prior incarnation!!!!
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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Actually Joey, Dave was being nice, If a person asks a question, you have a choice to either answer it or not. No one asked for your unsolicited character assessment. That's one of the reasons why this board has maybe, oh I don't know, 5 posts a day? versus other boards where people actually try to help people, instead of insulting them.
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-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Over twenty years ago I began using 100% acrylics for my work and it has proven to be a good choice for the type of work I do and the area in which I live. Gary Anderson was mainly responsible for me making the switch.
Porter was the brand that I found to be the best for my work, but now they have been purchased by PPG and the formulas have been changed. There are several good brand names that I use, but I really miss the quality of Porter.
Since I don't do many vehicles and my main source of income is dimensional work, the acrylics have been a perfect match for me. I've preached that for a long time. Some agreed, some didn't.
If you ask me the same question 20 times, you'll get the same answer (from me) 20 times. What you do with it is up to you. I'll make no evaluations beyond that.
-------------------- Chapman Sign Studio Temple, Texas chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net Posts: 6306 | From: Temple, Texas, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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quote:Originally posted by Joey Madden: Outside of Bill Diaz and George Perkins, you're all just a bunch of neanderthal's who were too lazy years back to find paints that work best for your situation. Instead of having two or three products on the shelf which work best you eventually found it easier tho complain, similar to having a medicine in the cabinet which states ' Cure All '
No Joey, it was your exact words where you judged everyone except Bill and George. Unless you call "Jerk" an accent, I'd say NO it wasn't your accent at all.
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-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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you right ray, for what you do.......acrylic latex is best. VEHICLES, METAL PANELS...... need to be treated differently. acrylic latex wont work. in my years of doing vehicles/alum/steel panels......AUTOMOTIVE PAINT ACRYLIC ENAMEL/URETHANES single stage work best. i have also had good experience with painting MDO with KILZ primer, then spray painting AUTOMOTIVE A/E as background.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Problem is that the neanderthals still have problems and so the questions asked today are still the same as yesterday.. Yet some need more than just a push to get them with a program that works..
I understand your feelings towards my answers as you've displayed them many times. And Bob, just a change of subject for a second, how's that Romney permanent assault rifle ban working out for Massachusetts?
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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Joey.... I have sworn off One Snot, since the black started coagulating right when it is opened, etc... I admit I was a bit lazy in the past when I knew I could could just count on One shot....It can't be counted on now as far as I am concerned. Recently I have taken up the fine art of sign painting and vehicle graphics, pin striping etc.. There is an oil boom on where I am, And those guys have bucks, and love their trucks. Time for custom graphics again! I am very interested in how you work with House of Kolors paint....can it be sprayed? Does it work with stencils? If it is not too bogus of me to ask..... Could you post a URL on how to work with this paint, in detail? Or describe your tech? I know this May be asking a lot, any info is appreciated. You mentioned House of Kolors to me in a previous post. Thanks. Shon
-------------------- Light and Shadow Manzanita,Oregon shonlenzo@hotmail.com Posts: 286 | From: Manzanita,Oregon | Registered: Feb 2000
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HOK URATHANES...... are made to be sprayed. they are AUTOMOTIVE PAINT PRODUCTS. NOW..... that being said, when you buy HOK.. it is in the can as a REDUCIBLE product. meaning its amount of solids to vehicle is proportionally more solids and enough vehicle to make it flow. i know this from 15 years at NAPA, mixing automotive paints. most of the "mix" paint are heavy solids, meaning a lot of the chemicals that makes the color. when mixing these paints the weight of each is exact so you can mix the same paint color again and again. george perkins is the guy who knows this HOK for pinstriping. its all he uses. i have SPRAYED IT...did a little paint of it with a brush.....drys a lot quicker then 1-SHOT, covers better. you need to use a urethane reducer, and these can be bought with different drying levels. for spraying, you need a fast dry, for brushing use a slow dry reducer. hardeners can be added or not....maybe george will pipe in here.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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