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That's interesting Joe. I am dubious about the subscription thing. I am more familiar with illustrator and photoshop than with the corel programs. I did not realize that the Adobe folks would let folks go ala carte on specific programs. I really only need Illy and photoshop. at $40 a month that $480 a year. For me that would be less than keeping up with the upgrades. Before I became proficient in Illy Cs3 I was a Corel draw dabbler. I have had folks in the Large format printing biz turn up there noses at Coreldraw. What are others opinions about corels color capibilities?
-------------------- Bob Sauls Sauls Signs & Designs Tallahassee, Fl
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i have benn using PHOTOPAINT since i got into computers........NEVER have i needed PHOTOSHOP. i have had older versions, and it just has a whole different feel the PHOTOPAINT.
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I guess i'm in the minority- I've been using the Creative Cloud subscription for over a year and have been very happy with the service, upgrades, ease of use and most importantly- the latest cutting edge software... all for $19.99/month ($240/year)... HOW DARE THEM
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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Sounds like a good deal, except I use 6 computers with CS on them. Seems to add up, and doesn't make sense for the freelance artist at all.
Not sure what to do in the future....since I use Mac computers, I have to add a lot to my machine just to run Corel....currently don't need Windows on my Home computer, and I am in no hurry to use Windows 8!
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Michael, that deal is no more. You must've got in early. $30/mo for first year, then goes up to $50/mo for the second year. That's w/CS3 or newer. Otherwise, $50/mo. $20 only pays for a single app, and only if you have CS3 or newer now.
Dale is right. Screws the freelancer.
I marked my calendar for the last day I can qualify for the discount price. I'm sticking w/CS3 up to then for sure.
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thanks, Don. I am sorry to hear this. I wonder if the market will bear this or if the customer really is captive and has no choice as a practical matter.
-------------------- Bob Sauls Sauls Signs & Designs Tallahassee, Fl
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quote: I wonder if the market will bear this or if the customer really is captive and has no choice as a practical matter.
All the other graphics software vendors are ramping up to meet the needs of the users. They seem to know that adobe has stepped into a mine field.
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if you watch, those $19.99 offers come around several times (or at least they have in the 14 or so months that I have been a subscriber) I was locked in at that price and still pay that- although I'm past my original 12 month agreement
I could use my CS3.3 Master collection on 3 computers at a time (legally) the new subscription allows for only 2
Also- if you are a teacher or student (k-12-college-whatever) you can get the $19.99/mo... (my high school son got a student subscription for his laptop)
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well..........lets look at this way. whats the differance between hacking your computer...or a place that stores your information....??? OF COURSE...it can and will be hacked.....problem is when it happens .you will have no idea its been done. to me, in my thinking the cloud is not different then PHOTOBUCKET/FLICKR. you put your stuff out there, anyone can access it and USE IT AS THERES.... i dont think i wnat my banking, artwork, in that space.....
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Michael, the educational version is/always has been "no commercial use". It works, but no better than pirated if used to make a buck. AND costs much more than pirated, even w/the discount.
The more that I think about this cloud thing, the more I realize the only problem I have with it is the price. I have all legal Adobe products, but have never been able to afford regular upgrades. Usually skip 2 or 3 versions because I can't justify paying so much just for bells and whistles I don't need and probably won't use. I'm resenting being "forced" to pay to be current.
But, when it comes down to it, I'd rather pay through the nose than switch to Corel.
quote:Originally posted by Michael Clanton: if you watch, those $19.99 offers come around several times (or at least they have in the 14 or so months that I have been a subscriber) I was locked in at that price and still pay that- although I'm past my original 12 month agreement
I could use my CS3.3 Master collection on 3 computers at a time (legally) the new subscription allows for only 2
Also- if you are a teacher or student (k-12-college-whatever) you can get the $19.99/mo... (my high school son got a student subscription for his laptop)
Still, the lower price is for the first year, after that it goes up. Or did I miss something?
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i have had ACADEMIC versions of corel........and they WORK........ EXACTLY THE SAME AS FULL VERSIONS. most of the lesser then full versions of any programs like NFR(not for resale), OEM installs,upgrades, the biggest difference is....only the FULL VERSION COMES WITH BOOKS. wife has a M/S OFFICE, home/academic vesion. has word, excel, powerpoint, NO BOOKS...for under $100, instead of the $400 for the full version.
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Answer to Bob Sauls question: I prefer to use CorelDraw because I'm used to it and I like it for designing. Been using it since V1.3 However, I don't like it for printing.... too many problems over the years. I export my CDR drawings as PSD or PDF and use those files for the printer. Sometimes I'll open the CDR to PSD file in Photoshop and tweak it a little. This works for me and my prints look good. Never had a problem with Adobe files printing and the color is pretty close to what I see on the monitor.
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OP, the terms of academic versions that you had to agree to in order to load the programs onto your computer, included that it would not be used for commercial purposes. Did you figure a way to load them without agreeing to their legal terms?
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Brent when I used Corel9 it was mainly because of the hoops I was having to jump thru with the little known sign program called Alphasign that I was using back then. I need corel to import clients files, I could manipulate the files in corel and export them in a fashion that my sign program could open. Which raises this question can your old version of cdw open current adobe files or do you have to ask for Illustrator/eps files saved back as legacies?
-------------------- Bob Sauls Sauls Signs & Designs Tallahassee, Fl
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quote:Originally posted by Don Coplen: OP, the terms of academic versions that you had to agree to in order to load the programs onto your computer, included that it would not be used for commercial purposes. Did you figure a way to load them without agreeing to their legal terms?
You know the answer to that.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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Bob, seems like Corel's import filter is always one version behind Adobe Illustrator. Yes, I have to ask them to save Illustrator files down to an earlier version. If you ask your customer to save the Illy files as vector PDF's those usually import fine from any version of Illy and the files are smaller.
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OP..You are mistaken when you say that legitimate upgrade versions of Corel products don't come with hard copy "books"...All of my upgrade versions came with them, mostly purchased direct from Corel.
I don't know if it is still the case, but it used to be that in order to actually install an upgrade version of Corel Graphics Suite, you had to insert a previous version's CD (and, I think, type in the previous registration code) to verify that you did, indeed, own a previous version and qualified for the upgrade version.
As far as Adobe switching to their way of marketing is concerned...I believe they will feel a huge kickback in their ass. Most folks like to buy software outright, not just rent it month by month forever and be at the whim of a supplier who can up the "rent" any time they wish.
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
quote:I dunno Dave, years ago hardly anyone believed you would pay for tv.
Good point David....
And, yes, I do pay for satellite TV. And satellite radio and cell and land line telephone.
And internet service.
Sheesh....the list goes on and on
And the monthly prices for service seem to go up every once in a while too, and without warning nor my approval.
At least, my Corel Graqhics Suite X3 was paid for and hasn't cost me an additional penny in 5 years!!! But then I don't need to import nor open newer files from anyone else these days.
If I did need the newer graphics program, I would prefer to buy it outright though, not rent it.
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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you people need to read ACADEMIC VERSION RULES. yes it say in there its not for commercial usage.BUT NOWHERE does it stop you. its like that thing when you downlad a program and it asks AGREE or DISAGREE, how many of you oh so high and mighty have read it? most of the corels i have had where NFR(not for resale)can be purchased by people working in software sale or computer repair......these are not UPGRADEABLE. i dont buy corel when every version comes out. i bought 4, 7, 10 and X3. i just bought an upgrade to program i have called ARTS & LETTERS EXPRESS. if you owned a version 7 or 7.5, you can update to version 8.0 for $19.95. other wise it is a $80 program. http://www.arts-letters.com/ this program can cut to a plotter just like corel. the clipart in it is really good. it has a lot of layering like illy but easier to work with.
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My point was not to try and get around anything- I was only giving information based on what I have been using for almost 16 months- so far, my monthly costs have been exactly the same for those 16 months- but they could increase at any time.
My subscription is the full version of Creative Cloud... my son's subscription (that he got at a discount rate for being a high school student) is the exact same full version of Creative Cloud- there is no "educational or academic version" limitations on his subscription anywhere. His software is exactly like the ones on my machines.
As far as Corel- I used X3 for a long, long, long time- then upgraded X6- I really like everything about it (actually prefer to build vector graphics from scratch with DRAW!- much easier to work with than Illustrator) it seems to be able to open or import just about all the newest files much easier than previous versions.
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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Thanks Michael !!! Just what I need/don't really need!!! A reomendation for Corel X6....
Well, hell, why not?
It will be fun to play with and check out new features.
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well almost.. the visual basic modules are not included.. For many this does not matter .But for some who use corel for more than just drawing a line to run a plotter the visual basic is very necessary.
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To me, all still boils the fact that it doesn't matter what it cost but rather how much money you make.
Because I use Adobe and Corel a lot, the subscription service is actually more cost effective for me than buying out-right.
However other software such as pricing programs, being able to buy out-right is better for me as they don't make money but rather help me keep from losing money.
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Ditto to what Glenn said... I was able to put my subscription costs into my cost of doing business- at the end of the year, my tax person made sure all of these expenses were placed in the appropriate places for my taxes...
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don, which part dont you understand??? i SAID if you would read..and comprehend.......MOST OF MY COREL VERSIONS WERE NFR VERSIONS...
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From Cnet: Adobe's Creative Cloud platform, which moves its Creative Suite applications from "perpetual license" to subscription-based payment plans, was designed to reduce piracy. Unfortunately for Adobe, that effort doesn't appear to have succeeded.
According to tech site PetaPixel, a torrent link was uploaded to The Pirate Bay on Wednesday, allowing users to illegally download Adobe's Creative Suite applications included in Creative Cloud for free. Those who have downloaded the software from The Pirate Bay say that it appears to work just fine.
Adobe's Creative Cloud platform was deployed earlier this week. The company had hoped that the subscription-based plan behind it would curb the massive piracy of some of its most popular applications, including Photoshop. It appears, though, that that effort isn't going so well.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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Amazing OP, you're perfectly willing to use NFR & academic versions of software, but put YOUR art in the cloud for someone to steal... no way? Wow.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5396 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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DUH.........davey....NFR....you have a problem with using it to make money? where do you see this as a problem??? if i buy(which i did)NFR softwear, KNOWING it is not an upgradeable version, then what is the problem? i SAID I DONT UPGRADE to each and every version. so payin the full price for a program SERVES ME NO USE. i had corel 4(full version i bought) i bought 5, and sold it because it would not cut, and 6 didnt either, so i didnt even think about buying it. i bought an NFR version 7. knowing i wouldnt upgrade for a while, as 7 did all i needed it to do. i bought 10, and then X3.....so whats your problem??? i spend my money best way i see fit, and if you need to have every upgrade....good on ya.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Here's what Corel has to say about OP's NFR software.
"Selling Not For Resale (NFR) software
This type of product cannot be sold for any reason. It is only distributed under limited conditions – usually for software evaluation purposes – and typically only by the software publisher. If an NFR product is being offered for sale, it is violating the product’s license terms and conditions. Distribution by the seller constitutes patent, trademark and copyright infringement. There can be legal repercussions for both the buyer and the seller."
On a completely related note, do you realize that if not for shoplifters, the rest of us who don't steal wouldn't have to pay so much for groceries?
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Call me stupid...But...How does one legally buy "not for resale" software?
Doesn't "not for resale" mean that it is not for resale????
I always thought that term applied to software that came pre-loaded on a new computer or discs that were supplied with a new computer.
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don cant get the concept...YOU BUY NFR SOFTWARE))))) and its for people who sell software and work on computers......NOT INTENDED FOR RESALE!!!!!!! and like i said..IT IS NOT UPGRADEABLE!!!!! that is the downside. and don..........i didnt steal anything.....really hate when people who make their judgments....on things they know nothing about. DAVE. thats OEM software, which you can buy at certain sites. no books, no disc.....
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From ebay "The reason software manufacturers use NFR software is simply to get their resellers and solution providers to give it a try. Many popular software vendors including Microsoft, Symantec, and more have programs to make NFR software available for precisely this purpose."
Here's what Adobe has to say: Here are some acceptable and NOT acceptable use cases:
Acceptable:
Example 1: Building a demonstration using mocked up customer data. Example 2: Training staff and consultants in best practices for deploying digital marketing solutions. Example 3: Using the NFR license to develop and proof a repeatable Digital Marketing Solution - not necessarily for one specific customer.
NOT acceptable:
Example 1: Developing a Web Experience Management solution for a customer using an NFR licensed copy of Adobe CQ. Not acceptable, because the customer must puchase development licenses to support their project in this example. Example 2: Using the NFR license to instrument or otherwise interact with a customer's live, production web site.
Dell's take on NFR: Dell Not for Resale Software License Program Terms and Conditions (U.S. and Canada) 1. Program Overview The Dell Not for Resale Software License Program (“Program”) is intended to support Partners (defined below) in their business development efforts by providing access to certain software( “NFR Software”) for customer demonstrations or internal testing or training. 2. Eligibility U.S. and Canadian channel partners who meet all of the following requirements (“Partners”) may participate in the Program.
VMware NFR policy NFR software is available to partners in good standing for product demonstration and training purposes only. One year of subscription services is included with NFR software as long as the partner remains in good standing within the parameters of the VMware Partner Program. Under no circumstances may these NFR software copies be copied, resold, hosted or distributed to any third party or used for partner information processing or computing needs. These partners of the VMware Partner Network are eligible for NFR licenses: Corporate Resellers Distributors OEMs Note: OEMs can obtain NFRs by directly contacting their VMware Account Manager. Global System Integrators and Outsourcers Service Providers Solution Providers Technology Alliance Partners (TAP)
Sorry OP but there is no definition of NFR software that allows a BUSINESS or INDIVIDUAL to legally buy it in the first place let alone use it for profit. As stated above, it is used to demo software by people associated with the legal sale of said software or training of software.
OEM software is software that is purchased by a computer manufacturer where the manufacturer loads the software on the computer in the factory, like pre-loading Windows on computers they build.
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