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What do you Adobe users think about their announcement of going 100% in the cloud where you'd have to pay them every month for a subscription membership? The article said this was effective immediately but that the current version can still be purchased. I can't find it on their website.
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I hope there will be sufficient backlash to get them to back off from that decision.
I haven't updated my Adobe suite since CS2. I bought it just before CS3 came out and was promised a free upgrade to CS3. Adobe and the software reseller just pointed fingers at each other when it came to my upgrade and that left a really bad taste in my mouth. I would like to get the latest just for file opening purposes but not if I have to subscribe.
I've been using Corel for over 20 years and it does all I need at a much better price point.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5084 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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It's too bad that Corel quit supporting the Mac platform. I believe they could pick up quite a few new customers in response to Adobe's half-baked subscription plan!
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I agree Dale. I've tried to run Corel on Mac with Parallels but it does work well at all. At least that's my experience. If someone has made it work, I'd like to know. I like Corel better than Illustrator. My PC at home drives me nuts, and I really enjoy my iMac. Come one Corel, this is your chance to clean up. That said, I suppose Adobe is in bed with Apple. Also, I've always wondered if Apples get worms instead of viruses. Are they screwing around with Acrobat too?
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With all the piracy that goes on with software I can understand their switch to this system especially if it is more secure. It would also be a more even stream of revenue for them instead of having to always wait for the next upgrade for those who spend only every second release.
There are two sides to every equation. Many love to gripe about those who won't pay the prices they ask for their signs but quickly look to buy the cheapest out there when they look to buy something for themselves.
I have no problem with the $20 or 40 or whatever per month for the latest version of software. It's something I can easily budget for instead of shelling out a thousand or more for an upgrade once in a while.
Things change and I easily go with the flow. I have important stuff to worry about although I can't really think of what that might be at the moment.
-grampa dan
-------------------- Dan Sawatzky Imagination Corporation Yarrow, British Columbia dan@imaginationcorporation.com http://www.imaginationcorporation.com
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For the smaller freelance artist, this is not a good deal. You at least had the option to upgrade if the program's new features were worth the money...now that option is gone...pay up! And they will decided what and when to add whenever they feel like it?
What about larger companies and the hassles this creates. I use five different computers between work and home. All of a sudden the price is $200 per month. And I have to keep in mind which computers am I paying by the month, or did I pay for the whole year? I already shudder at expense report writing time! And now a subscription will only be allowed to run on one computer at a time. And I run 2 computers at the same time, at home and at work!
I just don't like the way all the tech companies are trying to force-feed the cloud. I don't care to have certain files out floating around. I use Dropbox on a limited basis, but I don't think I should have to pay for a bundled service I most likely will never use. Same reason I don't have cable TV....250 channels of crap when I only need about 20 channels.
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50 a month for adobe, 40 a month for cad, 35 a month for accounting, 400 a year for quickbooks, 80 a month for data base... Estimate is a monthly fee.
Some users will see a bill of 600 a month or more just for the software subscriptions. See where this is going. It is not just a small fee. It is a huge outlay that a few will not be able to afford.
And then the capped usage for internet will add more. Comcast is capping usage with a huge fee for going over. Transfer just a few files a month and one will have a nice fat overcharge.
As for the piracy (selling hacked software) ,, its a fantasy,, Pirates go to jail and no company supports pirated software.
Unauthorized usage is what they are crying about. Most people will install their software on the home and office. That is considered unauthorized and is what the software publishers are screaming about. They want to get paid for every installation.
however,, In the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008, Adobe achieved record revenue of $915.3 million, with that kind of profits does any one think they care about the single users? Not a chance. That is 918 million in three months of sales. And a record setting growth for the 6th straight year.. Adobe does not care..
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If they at least gave you a few options. I only need PS and Illy and have no need for all the other stuff. Yes, you can get individual subscriptions at $19.95 an app or something but than your 10 bucks short of the whole shebang. I've been quite comfortable purchasing every other upgrade for the last 23 years. I'm considering purchasing the CS6 upgrade and staying there except for Photoshop possibly. They keep finding more magic stuff to add to Photoshop which makes it hard to resist.
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1356 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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Moving to the Cloud has little to do with piracy and more to do with having a steady revenue stream.
I suspect that because of the move, you will see more piracy, not less.
I share Curtis opinion of the mounting subscription costs. It's why I haven't upgraded from Estimate 2. I'm transitioning my shop from T-Quoter ($37.50 per month for one license) to Fast Manager ($15 per month for 3 licenses).
$50 here. $35 there. Before long, you're talking about real money.
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I agree, it is a good opportunity for Corel to step up to the plate! I wish Xara would further develop their photo editing tools, I love that illustration,photo & web tools are all included in one cohesive unit and the speed of the program.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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As a Creative Cloud user for over a year now I will offer a different view- I would NOT go back to the old way of paying several THOUSAND dollars for a software suite (yes, I use a bunch of different Adobe programs, so I had to go the Master Collection route) only to have an expensive, outdated hard copy, that will be virtually worthless in a short time.
So I bought the subscription- I got a year for $19.99/mo. which equals $239.88 per year ($359.88 for those who missed the sale) The very first thing that I did was add that cost into my pricing. Now I have the absolute latest version of EVERYTHING that Adobe offers (which, for me, was good because I use at least 10 different programs in a professional capacity)
I paid almost $3000 for Adobe Master Collection 3.3 about 5 years ago- so basically it has cost me $50/month for the past 5 years to own a version that, although still sorta works, is outdated and almost obsolete. (That cost actually broke down to $62.50 per month for the time that I actually used CS 3.3 version)
Since I have been running the Creative Cloud, there have been several software updates on different pieces of software- those updates are made available immediately, just click on the control panel. So I don't have to struggle while waiting months or years for the software company to gather enough updates to make a new release cost efficient for them- they simply do it now when it needs to be done.
For my studio, the Creative Cloud has allowed me to work better and more efficiently, as well as being able to work on updated, cutting edge software- without going in debt...
It may not work for everyone- for instance, I still use CorelDRAW! for all of my screen printing design and sign stuff- it is cheap enough to just own the hard copy and stay current.
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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Bill- Photoshop CS6 is worth the upgrade alone- it has some incredible features now- (check out Lynda.com for an in-depth tutorial on all of the new features)
BTW- since I had several subscriptions which added up to a lot of money, my tax/bookkeeper had to adjust those expenses-- ironically, she told me that all of her professional tax software is now subscription based only as well... so it is not going to go away anytime soon.
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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the subscription allows for 2 computers to be running the software- you can install it several, but then have to toggle between which 2 computers are active. (my hard copy of CS3.3 allowed 3 machines)
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I wish I had PS CS6. They did a major upgrade to that version and the new Camera Raw interface is awesome. I'm still on CS4 and don't need another monthly bill right now so I'm holding off. The cloud isn't a bad deal for the first time buyer who can't afford a major purchase.
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I look at things from a different angle. I NEVER buy anything the very first year it comes out.If you want something that's trouble free, you buy it just before the "new & improved" model hits the showroom. 1980 Ford F150 (new model) nothing but problems 1987 Dakota ( new model) only lasted 237,000km 1998 GMC ( last year for the 305) still going fine at 565,000km
With software, if you get constant upgrades, you're just paying to be a beta tester for them. XP worked a hell of lot better that whatever came after it.
It's not about the money. I just don't want any more headaches. Dale's correct about the TV thing too ........ 150 channels & nothing on that's worth watching.
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If you use Adobe stuff everyday to do professional stuff- this is the way to go... If you only use it occasionally, it would be a different story.
Brent- I have been blown away with the improvements in Photoshop CS6
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One thing that is nice about CC is that you have access to both the Mac and PC versions of the Adobe programs. If I decide I am going to stick with CC after my year is up I will consider getting a Macbook.
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David Harding: "I would like to get the latest just for file opening purposes but not if I have to subscribe." . It's neat how I'll need something or have an ongoing project I come back to every now and then; and I find that there is something much better now available online than before. Except for old drivers maybe. Anyway, file extensions has been an issue for me too; I looked for a decent online vector file conversion a while back, and couldn't find one. But about a week ago, I needed to open an EPS a customer sent. I went online and found a vector converter that worked really well, I'll see if I can put a link here: cool vector conversion
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Pacing what Curtis and Glenn have said, it is not just this monthly fee but all the others now or what is coming. I have had it with those that say, "if you can't afford $30 or $50 a month you shouldn't be in business." BS, it is the accumulation of added fees like this that will bleed you dry.
Like Glenn said, soon you will be talking about real money. I imagine Cadlink is probably going to do the same with the next version of Signlab. The fix is in.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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FlexiSign has gone to a cloud version. I am sure that monthly fees are very close behind with the next version upgrade.
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"Things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out." - Art Linkletter Posts: 6451 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999
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Wow, this is great info. for me. I am going to upgrade from Adobe CS3 to CS6, but haven't researched it yet. I did not know they were going to subscriptions. I use CS3 everyday, so rely on it for my business. I don't like the idea of a subscription only, however, if it costs me less per year than shelling out the thousands for the latest upgrade then that is smart business. But, I'm a one person show - subscriptions scare me - I cannot afford a large monthly payment for anything. I still have my one shot and lettering quills, so I'll always have a job that way.
-------------------- Kathy Weeks Weeks-End Signs & Graphics Lake Elmo, Minnesota Posts: 249 | From: Lake Elmo, Minnesota | Registered: Mar 2009
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My accountant/tax person reassured me it's just another business expense- whether I buy it outright or subscription- in the end, it's just a deduction... It has been much easier to tack on $20 or $30 per month instead of figuring out how I'm going to come up with a large chunk of change for one purchase...
In the meantime, I'll continue to open and convert files for anybody who asks... more and more stuff is being generated with newer software and eventually the outdated software simply can't open them... I can't even open newer PDFs with Corel X3, but have no problems with X6...
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ill be keeping all my old software, window XP.....and no clouds in my future)))))))
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I am on Flexi 8.6 there have been several upgrades. I am wondering if any of them pertain to the basic vectoring and vinyl cutting end of things as opposed to the printing side?
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