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By the way, Hemp is legally grown in Canada and legally imported to the United States, yet is illegal to grow here. Hemp has hundreds of uses...
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and i have one more song to bring back those "good old days." aaaaaaaaaaah just listening to this....gets me right here))))) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0
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Now that was an interesting read this morning, and for the most part everyone stayed Civil, well then again, we did stay civil....I don't smoke the stuff all that much myself, maybe one or two times in the last year or so, I just can't stand the side effects....I can't stop seating, it's actually crazy....lol. I bet it would be good for some people who are sick and have no appetite...
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Dennis, I to did the Google search as well, with anything on the Internet you can find what you want to find. Here is a pretty fair piece in the NEW YORK TIMES (Rarely called conservative) that seemed to be pretty fair. It states plainly that horrible things happened as a result of the Law but that consumption did drop so did public drunkenness arrests and institutionalization to mental hospitals for alcohol related problems. It also says that drinking rates rose after the repeal. Oh to be fair it is in the opinion section.
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neil, people who are having kemo/radiation treatment do pot simple for that reason..........it gives them an appetite
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Joey...You are correct. In our area of Ontario there are many fields of hemp being grown legally...
BUT....
They are also enclosed within high barbed wire fences. I am guessing so that other varieties of hemp won't be planted nor harvested?
I have no positive nor negative opinions of smoking or ingesting pot.
To each their own. A Democrat can't "switch" a Republican. A "straight" can't "switch" a "gay".
A "Born again Christian" can't switch a pot smoker or a drinker. Unless they want to be switched. And that doesn't happen very often.
I would love to state my opinions about the outcome of the recent USA Presidential elections...but it really has no place here, just like the "pot" smoking topic.
BUT, these topics do haul people out of the woodwork!!! And Joe is good at hauling folks out!!!
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Yeah, I saw that NYTimes piece, Bob. So what did you think of the two I suggested for you? Or, as you say, is it impossible to change anybody's thinking if they dont want to be changed?
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Joey, where do you get the hemp seed oil and how do you use it? I've had eczema for the last couple years, so I might give it a try. Nothing else works.
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Coffee, man now that is something I can not drink, used to drink a lot of it, had to give it up about 5 years ago, just a couple of sips andit can make me quite nervous and jittery.lol
Yes OP Doctors suggested that my Poor Brother try Pot to increase his appetite when he was going through all the cancer treatments.. it may have worked for a while but in the end the Cancer won...
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Been sitting back here just listening...I do admire my good buddy Bob for standing up for what he believes is right...however that does seem to get him into a bit of a pickle now and again...something he might wear as badge of honor...and I can understand that...but Bob is going to be on the wrong side of history on this one...pot is going to be legal...it's just a matter of time...just like gay marriage...today we know that pot is illegal for the most part in the US... but my question to Bob is not whether pot should be legal or illegal...but rather is smoking pot a moral issue...and if so...Why.
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I wish this type of interest in Letterville was generated on other topics. There you go Rusty, let's start a gay marriage thread, nothing else seems to be going on.
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I wish this type of interest in Letterville was generated on other topics. There you go Rusty, let's start a gay marriage thread, nothing else seems to be going on.
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Here's my two cents on this, first let me qualify myself, I have lived on both sides of this fence so I am fully qualified to give my opinion from both angles.
Marijuana alters the mind, each puff lasts for 30 days in the head, consistant use will certainly change one's view on many things in life. If you don't believe me try removing it from your life for at least 90 days straight. with that being said, I did vote to legalize it for medicinal use in Mass. It does have qualities that can be useful for those in pain I'm sure. As for recreational use. I'm sure it will be legalized at some point, but that doesn't make it a healthy item for the user and or people around them. It is extremely addictive and is used by many to deal, cope, hide or escape from reality. I am proof positive that there are so many true real, healthy ways in this world to do all that and so much more than marijuana can do for any human on a recreation basis.
I have lived 23 consecutive years back to back free from the bondage of it, and I can say life is So much better than my best day using it.
to each his own. I do not think it should be legalized for recreational use. just my two cents.
Maybe it will help me spell better
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-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
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Please write down two lists for me. 1) How smoking pot improves my life? 2) How smoking pot harms my life?
Please be honest when you do it. I also suspect that it will be difficult for you to objectively list the detrements because you might be blinded o some. For example: Others in a position to help you along,customers, employers, etc. may feel the way I do but will not be kind/bold enough to tell you. They will simply pass you by knowing that your habits are not worth their risking a professional or personal association. How many people in your life that you care about have been hurt or embarrassed, because you are using? How do you tell a young person who should be looking up to you as an example or mentor, that it is really OK to use some mind altering substances but not others? Everyone else wrong and thinking like they did in the 1930's? Just try to keep it to yourself, actually it is good for you?
This is not a list of all the potential of it as a plant nor the products that can be made from it.
Rusty this controversy really could not be complete with out your participation, my good friend and partner in agition. Maybe the list challenge helps you see why I view it as a moral issue. I have tried to keep this on a secular level but we could go into the Book of Proverbs and apply this to the ones that address drunkeness maybe even sloth or others which encourage us to be our brothers keeper. But I'll not judge anyone who does not hold to the validity of such worn out old dogma. Say, who's all in favor of dogs fraternizing with cats?
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BOB, is right about the 27-30 day retention of THC in your body. but the body has a set pattern of regeneration in about that same period with or without pot in it. as for things screwing up your body, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS are by far worse then pot. pot(thc)is a "natural" molecular structured chemical. the human body CAN and does eliminate these molecules easily. now a lot of SCRIPT DRUGS, are altered molecular structured. so once put into your body........ITS THERE FOR ANYWHERE FROM 7 YEARS or the rest of your life. THORAZINE, psychotropic, drug is a 7 year drug if you take 1 pill. AMEODERONE, arrhythmia drug for heart patients ONCE TAKEN.....remains in your body till you die. so the harmful effects of pot is way less then some drugs people take every day. now as for the ADDICTIVE side of pot, i can speak from experience and from a drug counselor aspect. ADDICTIVE PERSONALITIES will always find some thing to be addicted to)))) alcohol, pot, heroine, sex, food and this includes OCD people. the "drug" addiction is not the the problem, its THE PSYCHOLOGY of the ADDICTED!!!! i seen this in so many people while in drug rehab & working as a counselor ,most dont get better they just trade one addiction for another. lot of AA, NA people give up the drug and now have a MEETING ADDICTION, or a GOD/BIBLE ADDICTION. myself, the ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY does not exist. YES, i have smoked pot, i tried to drink beer, i tried to drink whiskey, i did cocaine a few times, hell i even did pure OPIUM.........now there is a drug of drugs))))) I STAY AWAY FROM THAT ONE FOR SURE)))) in all of my attempts to be "like everybody else"....i failed. my body just dont like and wont let me get a feeling of euphoria while druged. my last surgery may 2011, the doctor gave me 2 PERCA SET right after the surgery....i complained to him...because it put me so far in lala land....i didnt like it. when iam in pain 1/2 a 7.5 HYDORCODONE makes the pain stop. as for pot, wifes nephew did 2 years hard time, for selling 1 joint to someone he believed was his friend.........turned out to be a narc. the kid has never done anything else wrong in his life, but now has a prison record. and this will follow him for the rest of his life. people who drive drunk and killed someone, doesnt get as harsh a punishment.
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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"Please write down two lists for me. 1) How smoking pot improves my life? 2) How smoking pot harms my life?
Please be honest when you do it. I also suspect that it will be difficult for you to objectively list the detrements because you might be blinded o some. For example: Others in a position to help you along,customers, employers, etc. may feel the way I do but will not be kind/bold enough to tell you. They will simply pass you by knowing that your habits are not worth their risking a professional or personal association. How many people in your life that you care about have been hurt or embarrassed, because you are using? How do you tell a young person who should be looking up to you as an example or mentor, that it is really OK to use some mind altering substances but not others? Everyone else wrong and thinking like they did in the 1930's? Just try to keep it to yourself, actually it is good for you?
This is not a list of all the potential of it as a plant nor the products that can be made from it."
WHAT IS THIS? .... AN INTERVENTION ?.....CONDUCTED BY ONE PERSON, ON ALL OF US?.....IT SEEMS THAT YOU, BOB, REALLY, BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE, ON EARTH, IN POSSESSION OF THE BOOK OF THE TRUTH.....BOB, NOW YOU ARE ASKING US TO WRITE TWO LISTS ( SEE ABOVE )......ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
MAN, GIVE IT UP, ALREADY...... NOW,I NOTICE THAT, ON TOP OF SOUNDING CONDESCENDING, YOU ARE, ALSO,BEGINNING TO INFILTRATE RELIGION INTO THE SUBJECT.
WOW....YOU ARE, REALLY, OBSESSED WITH THIS TOPIC, BOB.
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Okay, Since the election, I haven't seen anybody walking down the street smoking a doobie yet. I quess most are still afraid to take that chance. Maybe they'll have a statewide "Light Er Uup" day.
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I've only smoked 3 times in my life...the first 2 times had no effect on me...made me wonder why one would pay money for the stuff...but the 3rd time was nice...and listening to my music was quite an enjoyable experience...but even then it was very subtle...nothing dramatic...but I got to say if it was legal in Tennessee...tonight I would put on a little Bach...or maybe Pachelbel's Canon in D on continous play and puff the dragon...and all the while feeling no guilt whatsoever that I was performing an immoral act...because I would not be.
Last time I was in SF I went to a few music venues and you'd have thought pot was already legal there. People openly smoked in the bars... However you had to go outside to smoke tobacco.
Reminds of a ski trip I went on with my son and bunch of his co-workers. It was a bus trip and there was lots of beer on the bus. But no smoking tobacco on the bus. (and yet there was some pot being smoked on board the bus?)
As bus trips usually go, there were a couple of "pit stops" to get rid of the beer that had been consumed. After the relief part was taken care of, we could smoke on the sidewalk, but not consume alcohol.
Consume beer on the bus, smoke on the sidewalk....but not both at the same time or place!!! LOL
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So, Bob, you dont want to legalize pot because you dont see the benefits of it, having never tried it. So you're in favor of continuing the War on Drugs? Great idea. You know why the country gave up on Prohibition? Because the cost, the corruption and violence it produced far outweighed any good intentions. Well, The WOD has far exceeded that. We've been at it for 50 years and have wasted way more money on it. More than half the people in prison are there for drug offenses. The Mexican cartels make the Mafia look like Boy Scouts, dumping a couple dozen headless bodies on a busy street every now and then, just to let the populace know who's running things.
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I've never needed any chemical to feel better or alter my mood or get a "buzz". Did it, but it fell short of all the hype. I feel "high" most of the time (thanks to music like OP posted).
That being said, at this point in time I can tell you that once an employer scans your facebook and sees you tokin' your resume hits the shredder. Legal or not. Edited to add that my 6 & 8 year old know the lyrics to several of KC & SBand songs.
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Did you all hear about the ten-year-old boy who had never tried sex and said he didnt see the benefits of it, whereas he read all the time about its bad effects -- unwanted pregnancies, VD, jealousy, killings, exploitation of minors, and on and on, so he was convinced that it shd be outlawed. He also said that the fact that it had been going on for centuries and a lot of people said it was great couldnt change his mind on the subject.
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For a number of personal reasons I choice to allow this discussion. So far you guys are doing your best to have an actual discussion without getting nasty and/or judgemental.
It's a changing World. Now that I'm an old guy, I often find myself longing for the "good old days."
Having said that, I am one of those who isn't very good at following rules.
Here in Ontario, we got very close to decriminalizing pot. Over 30,000 Canadians have prescriptions to "medical marijuana." The Ontario court has all sorts of pot charges on hold until our federal government finally makes a ruling.
I had all sorts more I'd love to share with you, but Barb reminded me that it's still illegal here in Ontario. Due to a childhood encounter with a loose, bicycle seat, I've always had a real big fear of jail.
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i thought you was gona say you got high and went around sniffin girls bicycle seats))))
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Dennis, you can buy Organic Hemp Seed Oil at most any health food store in the U.S. I do two tablespoons per day, the brand I buy is Nutiva, a Canadian company, 16oz bottle around $16.
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First time I entered into a sign shop and saw cans of paint without caps but skinned on top of the paint I got sick to my stomach. Later on I was just thinking how ignorant the signpainter was in regards to what he didn't know in regards to what the skin actually contained. 50 years later they still think the same way.
Some things never change
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Sign-makers. We are a varied and curious lot.
Steve, Your long-suffering through this post is refreshing.
Dennis, If you'll go back and reread some of what I have written you might see folly in some of the assumptions that have been made on my behalf. Please forgive me if I did not communicate well
I said that I was in favor of some decriminalization in one of my earliest posting. That I would give up some pleasures if it meant reducing some of the harm. To say that there is no harm at all seems silly.
Controlled substances are that, not because of those who might be using them in a more responsible manner. They are controlled because they are deemed harmful to society at large by those who simply will not be responsible. To dig in and say that that it is not fair that a few should ruin it for all the rest is childish. We always suffer through the consequences of others bad behavior as a general fact of life.
I must concentrate on sign-making today. I'll be back later in the week, I guess. Everyone have a nice day.
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OK, my take on it. I was a regular user for many years, grew my own, the while nine yards. The main reason I quit was the fact I became a single parent and the stuff was and still is illegal. First off, puh lease don't compare it in any fashion to alcohol. The dangers just aren't there. If indeed it's terribly harmful, where are all these damaged people? Is it addictive? To a point but nothing like cigarettes, never mind alcohol. I've been around tons of pot heads and NEVER witnessed one loosing it because they ran out. I never once witnessed somebody going to desperate measures to obtain more. Sure, they might be a little grumpy until they scored but no big deal. Will it make you a changed person? Yes, more mellow, less anxious and possibly somewhat paranoid maybe even get into some lethargy. Would I rather be around somebody drunk or somebody stoned? That's a no brainer...I HATE DRUNKS!!! Ever see a bar fight break out because of a couple of stoners? Does it affect ones physical co ordination? Sure. I remember back to my days of racing on the dirt tracks. There were a couple of racers that got stoned and a couple that got drunk. The stoners let off for the turns way earler than the racers that weren't high....they drove pretty slow in comparison. The drunks....they didn't turn at all and drove straight into the wall. I haven't smoked regularly in decades. Do I feel it should be legal......YES! I'm done now.
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Just a little extra note...Glad Steve is back with us...and like Steve...I too know that many lessons are to be learned from riding a bike with a loose seat...things one would prefer to avoid if at all possible.
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I've never smoked it, but I have been around it my whole life - the county I grew up in was big growers and suppliers. I have had plenty of second hand experience (-the String Cheese Incident concert that I went to a few years ago turned out to be one giant doobie that would have made Cheech and Chong jealous... of course there was a lot of other stronger stuff being consumed... just thinking about it makes me want some Doritos and Twinkies) Yep- I'm a Jellyfish (SCI fans will get it) it was a very mellow "incident" and one of the few concerts I have been to where alcohol and fighting were strangely absent...
I made a decision many years ago to not partake- I am against putting mind altering things in my body on purpose (I have a hard enough time keeping my head on straight as it is) On a few occasions I have had some mind-altering experiences, and I really hated it- I must not have much to work with...
That said, I voted "FOR" medicinal pot- if it provides relief, I don't think it is anywhere near as harmful as the countless prescription drugs- do I think that a teenager should be lighting up, no way
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