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I have a long-time truck lettering account where the client's name is masked and rolled in with yellow enamel, then I airbrush a horizontal orange strip through the lettering and add white highlights at the corners of the letters, and finish with a black painted outline. All the rest of the lettering is done in vinyl.
Is there a way to do the yellow base of the name in vinyl and airbrush the orange and white enamel onto it - either while the yellow vinyl is on the truck or by airbrushing the colors onto the yellow vinyl before applying it to the truck? And can the black outline still be applied around all of that in vinyl?
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Cut and apply the black bold outline first. Scuff, frog juice the yellow vinyl, then airbrush 1 shot. let dry, weed, apply on top of the black. Done.
-------------------- John Arnott El Cajon CA 619 596-9989 signgraphics1@aol.com http://www.signgraphics1.com Posts: 1443 | From: El Cajon CA usa | Registered: Dec 1998
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What John said, But I scuff and then use Krylon Fusion instead of Frog juice. You can then use Fusion colors thru an airbrush or One Shot. I prefer the Fusion.
-------------------- Ron Costa Sign and Design 28 Ingerson Road Jefferson, NH 0358 Posts: 620 | From: New Hampshire | Registered: Oct 2002
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I used to cut the vinyl, wipe thoroughly with laquer thinner, airbrush any blends with automotive basecoat then clearcoat the entire vinyl panel. Wait until the clearcoat was "slightly" cured. Then weed the vinyl. Wait overnight and then pre-mask.
Never had a single failure using that method. NO adhesion problems and no chipping or fading.
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-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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I got slapped on the wrist for saying something similar many years ago Jack. That stuff sucks!
Of course I got slapped for other negative comments about other suppliers too.
BUT Steve and Barb still put up with me...in fact, we'll be visiting them next weekend, but they don't know it yet!!!
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
Cut the lettering in white vinyl but DON'T WEED IT!! Spray the sheet with yellow Fusion. It acts as a bridge between the vinyl and whatever paints you want to use over it, almost like a primer.
Once you have the base color, the doors open up a little. You can use 1-Shot or HOK paints through the airbrush as needed over the Fusion paint. Again, do all of this before weeding and let it sit overnight until dry. Weed, tape and apply as usual.
Nice thing about this method is that you can line up the "custom" painted lettering onto a black vinyl to form the outline or paint it. Your preference.
Hope this helps... Rapid
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-------------------- Ray Rheaume Rapidfire Design 543 Brushwood Road North Haverhill, NH 03774 rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com 603-787-6803
I like my paint shaken, not stirred. Posts: 5648 | From: North Haverhill, New Hampshire | Registered: Apr 2003
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100% agree with Rapid. Exactly. That's how I used to do 3-4 trucks a day before digital printers (aka the Original Gerber Edge) came out.
We would airbrush the edges to get bevels (following the cutlines), drop water on it then spray at two angles with two different colors and let it dry. In the morning you had awesome water droplets, without the water.
We did use a Krylon clear over the top for a final gloss.
Weeding got a little tricky when there were too many coats of paint so keep that in mind.
-------------------- Nikki Goral Image Advantage Signs 4050 Champeau Road New Franken, WI 54229 920-465-4500 "Finish every day and be done with it. Tomorrow is a new day."-Ralph Waldo Emerson Posts: 928 | From: New Franken, WI (East Green Bay) | Registered: Jun 2007
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quote:Weeding got a little tricky when there were too many coats of paint so keep that in mind.
Nikki, that is why I recommended weeding after a short wait for the clearcoat to "tack up".
Also, I would use a "Sharpie" marker to outline the cut lines on the vinyl to make it easier to see them and weed, after painting.
Also made sure to tape down the vinyl to hold it in place while weeding the "tacky" vinyl.
Also did extra exacto cuts between letters before painting so that weeding involved the least amount removal per letter or section.
And, as Tim said...NEVER weed first!!! The paint will bead up on the surrounding backing, stick to the pre-mask and transfer to the final surface!!! And THAT is a bitch to remove!!!
SO MANY little tips that only get learned by experiencing the difficulties!!!!
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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Oh Dave, you are so right!!! I haven't done it that way on over 15 years that I forgot all the little nuances. Good points!!
-------------------- Nikki Goral Image Advantage Signs 4050 Champeau Road New Franken, WI 54229 920-465-4500 "Finish every day and be done with it. Tomorrow is a new day."-Ralph Waldo Emerson Posts: 928 | From: New Franken, WI (East Green Bay) | Registered: Jun 2007
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urethanes stick to vinyl and will not come off. Before the digital printer arrived around here we sprayed HOK on hp cast vinyl and never had a problem. Never tried Fusion, but regular Krylon also worked.
-------------------- Bill Diaz Diaz Sign Art Pontiac IL www.diazsignart.com Posts: 2107 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Dec 2001
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It depends on what kind of airbrush effect I'm doing. For smoother blends I tend to work it while it's still tacky. For freehand masking or hard edged work, I let it fully dry (which doesn't take long at all).
-------------------- Ray Rheaume Rapidfire Design 543 Brushwood Road North Haverhill, NH 03774 rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com 603-787-6803
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Funny is'nt it... the progress in technolgy, first everything was done by hand with a brush and Paint, then most started using Airbrush along with the quills, then Vinyl cutters came out and the people who had no talent tried competeing with us Old schoolers, but we showed them, we Airbrushed on Vinyl for shadows fades and stuff... then came along the Gerber Edge, and it went down hill from there....lol or it progressed... all depends on how you look at it....Same thing with Painting, Hand Carved, versus CNC..... Nice memories there for sure.
-------------------- "Keep Positive"
SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Success! I sprayed yellow Krylon Fusion onto white vinyl, sprayed some orange Krylon Fusion along the bottom, hit the top corners with some airbrushed white One Shot highlights, put down the black outline on the truck first, then the yellow/orange painted vinyl letters on top of it. Total time for 2 truck doors at the customer's location - 2 hours as opposed to nearly a full day if I was rolling in the yellow, airbrushing and painting the outline.
I was worried the application tape would pull up some of the spray paint but it held up.
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Scuffing a crosshatch pattern on the vinyl with a fine gray 3m scuffpad and keeping oily fingerprints off the lettering area insures great adhesion. For a while, Krylon paint was failing to adhere properly and it was pointed out to me here that their formula had changed. The "new" old Krylon, is Krylon Fusion.
-------------------- Ron Costa Sign and Design 28 Ingerson Road Jefferson, NH 0358 Posts: 620 | From: New Hampshire | Registered: Oct 2002
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Yeah, the only thing I did wrong was to scuff with 400 sandpaper, it was too rough and you could see some of the scuffing at a certain angle. Next time I'll use something finer.
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