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Customer wants an outdoor substrate for his sign (to stick vinyl on) which is 80" x 96" with no seams. Does anyone know of anything that wide? Thanks
-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7404 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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If it's a full sign wrap the vinyl will cover the seems... otherwise maybe some sort of filler to smooth out the seams and an even base coat?
-------------------- Kelsey Dum Dum Designs Sherwood, AR 72120 501.765.2166 kelsey@dumdesigns.com Posts: 827 | From: Sherwood, AR | Registered: Oct 2005
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in all my years of sign/construction/ building I have never seen a single panel 80"x 96". only shot i would try but the guy aint gona like the price........is plastic sign sheets. sombody makes them that big cause MCDONALDS/BURGER KING/WENDY'S most are over 80" tall. give the sign co. PLASTIC ART SIGNS, pcola, or one in destin that does big plastic signs.
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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GRP which is used on side panels of refrigerated trucks over here. Not sure what you would know it as. I've used it years back and available in huge sheets
-------------------- Kevin Gaffney Artistik Signs Kinnegad County Westmeath Ireland 044-75187 kevingaffney@eircom.net Posts: 628 | From: Ireland | Registered: Oct 2003
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It's called FRP (Fiberglass Reinforced Plywood) here in North America. Pete Payne used to use it a lot. I think you can get it up to 53' long by about 10' high.
-------------------- Rodger MacMunn T.R. MacMunn & Sons C.P.207, Sharbot Lake, ON 613-279-1230 trmac@frontenac.net Posts: 475 | From: Sharbot Lake, Ontario | Registered: Nov 2003
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Wayne, I think you'd better tell him that what he's wanting is going to cost a fortune; much more than he's probably wanting to pay.
Just the fact that he'a wanting to stick vinyl on it says he's not willing to spend a lot.
A couple of sheets of MDO, with sheets of white aluminum glued to it (factory edges together), will give a clean solid surface, with only a hairline seam. Take a striping brush and some white OneShot, and the seam will pretty much disappear. Just run a line of white along the seam, and wipe the excess off with a thinner rag.
-------------------- Dale Feicke Grafix 714 East St. Mendenhall, MS 39114
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Wayne, Call your plastic supplier They make Polycarbonate in a roll up to 120" wide by 100 ft.
You have a supplier by you, A&C Plastics or Regal/Piedmont I think have outlets in FL. It runs around $4 a sqft give or take and they can just cut it off the roll.
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Thanks guys. William. I found some at Farco Plastics 80" x 96" x 3/16" white signgrade polycarb $233 a sheet for two sheets 90 bucks to ship. Sent the customer a quote and hoping for the best.
-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7404 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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Polycarbonate is the only thing we can get here in that kind of width.
One caution: Since this panel is going outdoors, your customer should install this in retainers. If he tries to pin the plastic down with a bunch of screws, he may end up with a very wavy sign due to expansion/contraction.
Actually, a single seam in a large panel, such as Dibond, is usually not objectionable if carefully installed. In this case, the dimensions would allow the seam could be vertical or horizontal.
Brad in Kansas City
-------------------- Brad Ferguson See More Signs 7931 Wornall Rd Kansas City, MO 64111 signbrad@yahoo.com 816-739-7316 Posts: 1230 | From: Kansas City, MO, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hiya Wayne, You can get 0.040" mill finish, roll aluminum that wide for about $15 a linear foot from a trailer manufacturer. There's a place in NJ but I can not find the contact info. If I locate it, I'll post it.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Ok, after over three weeks and being told by his secretary that someone else got the job, the customer shows up at my door wanting to order. And now I have been given new information....
He has a frame built of 3x3 aluminum extrusion. The Polycarb panels are 80" x 96". If he puts a retainer around the edge, what is going to keep the .15" thick polycarb panels from flopping or bowing/blowing out? There are several 3x3 "studs" in the interior of the frame so the panels are backed by something. But he doesn't want any screws showing. Is there some type of glue which would bond it to the aluminum studs? What about double faced tape? Thanks
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-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7404 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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wayne, Sorry that this guys got a plan without any of the thinking that goes along with it. I would use very High Bond Tape. And tell him there is no guarantee or responsibility on your part. Can wind get behind this frame?
-------------------- Bob Sauls Sauls Signs & Designs Tallahassee, Fl
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on something that large Im thinking flex face!
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Hiya Wayne, On a face that large, I would not use adhesive because I would be concerned with failure due to expansion and contraction and wind loads.
If it was my project, I probably would pass unless the client signed a release. Only then would suggest using a hanger bar, supporting the weight of the face from the top, along with retainers around the perimeter.
Havin' fun.
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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3M VHB Tape #4919F We stuck a cinder block to a steel pole with a 3/4" x 6" strip of the stuff to see if it was as strong as they said. Three days later we broke the block taking it down. They literally hold windows in skyscrapers with the stuff....it will hold you face in.
Put it on the studs and around the retainer and you can forget all about it....your only catch is you're only getting one shot to stick it straight.
Also tell him that if he wants to take it down later it's going to take a whole lot of patience.
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