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Hiya Glenn,
Do you really need constant access to all of these files?
For me at least (and it depends on the client), I keep any files more than a year or 2 old archived or backed up on CD or DVD.

And, just another thought, would blocking certain websites using your host file help?

Havin' fun,

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All of my business files still fit on a 150 GB drive, however, my grandkid photos and videos take up half a terabyte.

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David... I'm not finding any humor in your post... Please try again. hehe

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Another for Billy. It just came in this morning....

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Hacking attacks against high-profile organizations were in the spotlight during the first half of 2011. News stories highlighted damaging data loss and exposure of sensitive information and businesses remain on high alert. Meanwhile, web threats—such as fake antivirus and SEO poisoning—continue to be the top vehicle for malware attacks this year. Mac users, once safe from malware, fall victim to attack in 2011. As smartphone adoption skyrockets and social networking explodes, IT departments struggle with decisions around security versus the need to collaboratively share information. The blurring line between professional and personal use of technology means that mobile platforms and social networking continue to pose threats to your business data. Email spam also continues to evolve, as spearphishing has turned into an art.
Sophos

What Billy and other MacHeads fail to realize is that the only reason they were "reasonably" safe is because Apple had to small of a market to make it worth a hacker's time. With iPads and iPhones taking up an increasingly larger market share, hackers are taking notice.

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As for hard drive space, I can remember when our "computer guy" told us back in 1988 we'd never fill up the two 40mb hard drives he put into our new 286's.

If I were just a sign shop dealing with vector files and the occasional hi-res raster image, a 1T would be overkill, I agree.

But I'm not just a sign shop.

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I have an Ipad and the last two updates were more about security that improvements. As soon as they fixed one, pdf crack was already online ready to jailbreak the thing. If they can jailbreak it, they can infect it.

By the way, look at the lawyer brigade of Steve Jobs going all over the world stopping competition. Right now they have an injunction against Samsung and it's Galaxy Tab. They are also patenting everything, except on/off buttons. Remember when evil Microsoft wanted to rule the world?

A pox on both of their houses, makes one want to go to Linux.

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I know Macs will eventually become more vulnerable in the near future. But there is one thing I read that I feel I should pass along concerning the fact that Mac numbers are too low for hackers to bother with. This is only partially true. According to the article I read, part of the reason for the low number of Mac attacks is that it takes a much higher ability of programing to write a Mac virus. A Mac virus needs to be written from scratch whereas Windows malware can be made by modifying existing software, which takes a lesser degree of programming knowledge.

Still, all hackers are the scum of the earth.

I'll give Mac one thing though. Their Time Machine is sweet. First backup takes a while, but from there on the software detects changes so daily backups take a few minutes. Somehow it separates the files by backup dates, so any date back in time you choose, your entire desktop and all folders are there just as they were on the original date. You just pick a file that is currently missing or changed and restore it from whatever day you want. Only problem is it doesn't back up my Windows partition, so I still need to back those up somehow.

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quote:
Originally posted by Glenn Taylor:


What Billy and other MacHeads fail to realize is that the only reason they were "reasonably" safe is because Apple had to small of a market to make it worth a hacker's time. With iPads and iPhones taking up an increasingly larger market share, hackers are taking notice.

There are NO viruses in the wild that affect Mac OS X at this time.....If it's as easy to do as you insinuate the hackers would be all over it by now.

There are however trojans that can affect Mac OS X, but these must be downloaded and installed by the user, which involves entering the user's administrator password. Also, Mac OS X will give you a warning when you first launch an app you downloaded from the web. Trojans can easily be avoided by the user exercising common sense and caution when installing applications. A common source of trojans is pirated software, typically downloaded from bit torrent sites.

Mac OS X does not get wiped out by clicking a link on Facebook and most likely won't anytime in the near future. When/if it does happen it will be the headline on every news outlet. Don't hold your breath waiting. [Wink]

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Joe, Sophos and other security companies say otherwise. Even Applehas expressed concerns.
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"We have always held the theory that when Apple reaches a more significant market share, around 15 percent worldwide (which given its current rapid growth will be achieved shortly), hackers will begin to target attacks against this platform," claimed Panda vice president, Ivan Fermon.

"We would even say that today, the Windows operating system is more secure than Mac, simply because Microsoft has been working proactively on security for many years," he added.

PCWorld

I'll leave it at that.

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[ August 12, 2011, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]

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Wish I had abrain like you guys that are talking so technical-like,ya know? [Smile]

I just want to say that it would be really cool if some genius could come up with a counter-attack, that soon as the hackers get in, THEY get hit! They need to find some O-ffensive plans of action! Or, instead of their virus/malware stuff invading OUR computer, it would backfire & wipe out THEIRS! [Wink]

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Glenn, sure security companies are going to try to sell anti-virus software to Mac owners...What virus are they protecting us from, the one that hasn't been written? lol

That link you posted was from 2008. Still no viruses. Did you even bother to read the 2nd update to that article? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-Now-Denies-Need-for-Antivirus-Software-99194.shtml

The letter the author was referring to was about the classic Mac OS from yesteryear that wasn't built on a Unix core. Is anyone still playing on the internet with classic Mac OS? [Rolling On The Floor]

Those type of "news" stories do get lots of hits though to their website. lol

With that said Glenn, I do hope you get everything squared away! I don't wish issues like that on anyone! Just wanted to clear up a little confusion.

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Joe, you might want to read this....

http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/28/mac-os-x-backdoor-trojan-virus-discovered-computer-is-vulnerable/

And this is my point....

quote:
No. It means that criminals who used to focus on Windows machines to reach the most potential victims are now targeting Mac too.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20064394-245.html

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Glenn, consider the source....That is a trojan, not a virus like you got.

Like I said earlier, there are trojans for Mac OSX but NO viruses. There's quite a difference.

Trojans on Mac OS X are usually from careless/clueless users giving out their password to install pirated software from bit torrent sites.

What is the difference between virus, worms and trojans?

http://service1.symantec.com/support/nav.nsf/docid/1999041209131106

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Joe, Tidserv is a trojan.

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/tidserv-64-bit-goes-hiding

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Sounds to me like they're saying it started off as a trojan in 2008 but is now a full blown virus.

If your wife didn't have to give any authentication than I'd say it's not a trojan but I'm no expert on this stuff because frankly I don't worry about it.

Been using Macs since 1993 and have yet to use anti-virus software or been infected.

I'll stick to my statement if it was as easy to self destruct Mac OS X as Windows, someone would have done it by now.

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New 4G thumb drive: $12.88 at WalMart.
Backup sales and tax files for last five years: Priceless

I don't care what anyone says, no computer is really safe as long as we surf the net. I am just happy that Letterville does as great a job of preventing such nefarious abuse. All praise to Barb and Steve!

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I have one interesting question, how many mac users have switched to pc's as opposed to pc people switching to macs in last couple of years?

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I don't know... but I did. :-)

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Dave - I believe I'm doing the same 'backup' thing with Memeo Backup Pro. I tell it what folders/files to backup and everytime I hit the 'save' button on a file I'm working with, it saves it to a defined backup drive. If it's the 'same' file, it just updates it to the new 'save.' Works in the background - I really like it.

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Kevin, I'm in that group. I spent 15 years doing design work exclusively on Macs. Another 6 years doing tech support on the PC changed my perceptions and I actually prefer the interface of Windows XP. True story.

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Used macs years ago then pcs, then back to macs. Different animals now and you wont find many moving from their latest creations i suspect

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So Kevin, is this a survey or an opinion?

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Just an opinion Dave. Use them all and know what works best for me. Over the years , it seems some operating systems have improved more than others. When i find a better os than the mac one for me, i wont hesitate to buy into it

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Windows 7...... :-)

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Dont know about that Todd. One of my daughters has it on a laptop she got at Christmas. Dont see anything special in it but then Im not using it all the time. It used to be constantly doing updated which was very irritating until turned off

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quote:
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Windows 7...... :-)

If you don't mind hassling with problems like Glenn is having, it's the best MS has put out. IMO

We actually have a Dell laptop (at our home) with Windows 7....It's not bad at all for Windows.

We use Avira for anti-virus and have never been infected with anything but we only use it when we don't feel like sitting at a desk so it's the recliner browser. We don't do any email, shopping, banking or production on it.....That stuff is for the Macs! [Wink]

We bought it right before the iPads came out or we would have just bought an iPad for a recliner browser. Apple and their damn secret releases, cost 'em a sale.

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My new laptop runs both OS X and Windows 7. I need the windows OS because there is no Mac version of SolidWorks. It will be interesting to see how the Mac runs SolidWorks in 7 through Fusion?

Most of my time will be spent in the Mac OS but it's nice to have options!

In the past I have had the option to buy a cheaper computer and only run windows...but I prefer to use OS X and run windows only when I need to?

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Kevin says "...what works best for me" and that is the whole crux of the matter.

Everyone's situation is different. It depends on his software needs and expertise, budget, comfort level, etc. For some, Mac is the vastly superior option, for others, PC is. Whatever one decides to do doesn't make the individual superior or lessor, smarter or dumber--he has chosen a tool to use based on his personal circumstances. Milwaukee makes better tools than Harbor Freight, however, using a Harbor Freight tool does not make anyone a lesser craftsman.

I'll give an example of my situation:

Back when computers were $4000 and I could only afford one, I seriously looked at Mac, however, there was research software that I used then on a daily basis and still use today that was and is only available for PC. The Windows emulators at the time would not run that software so I stayed with PC. Since then, the graphics world in PC has certainly caught up with Mac.

I've looked at Macs each time I've upgraded my computer and just cannot make the numbers work for me. I have 30,000 hours experience in CorelDRAW the last couple decades--it works just fine for me and I don't want to learn to use Illy instead. The research software I mentioned will never be ported for Mac. The mapping software I use only comes in a PC version. EnRoute 4 is a PC program. My FlexiSign 10 is PC based. I've used WordPerfect since the DOS days and don't have any interest in learning a different word processor since WP does everything I wish it to. Yes, I can buy a Mac and run Windows on it but I'll still be using Windows. The whole "Mac Experience" for me would be email and browsing the internet, not very compelling reasons to make the switch.

As far as all the time and effort spent on antivirus, etc. is concerned, there are plenty of free programs that update automatically, run in the background, and consume few system resources. A quick download and install and I don't have to think about it again. I spend more time in a cycle at the red light on the corner than keeping up with all the "vulnerabilities of Windows". I certainly invest more time whenever I log on to Letterville than I've spent the last few years total in keeping up with my anti virus.

Maybe my circumstances the next time I upgrade will be different but I'm not changing computers any time soon. For now, it's not broke so I see no need to fix it.

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This all started about Glenn's warning of viruses which I guess will invariably lead to the Mac vs Pc debate. Very few will change their minds because most of us on all platforms really did think hard about what we want. Why do some Mac people need to keep going at it if they are supremely happy with their purchase. Maybe to justify the bucks , but oh no, I will be told the prices when compared are really compatible.

I just bought this Thinkpad laptop with a fast processor, big Hd and good memory and I like everything about it. I have used Macs and no thanks, just my Ipad thank you. This computer cost me $550 and does everything I want.

You know why I bought the Ipad? I originally bought a Viewsonic G Tablet and after a few months it just wasn't doing the job I wanted business wise. Nice for those that like to root it and play with all the options but not ready yet. Apple is where the PC biz was years ago as far as it's Ipad. Lots of applications (just like Windows was) very competitively priced(like PCs). All the reasons I stay with PCs is what got me to go with Apple on the tablet side.

No my team, your team. I don't like the way the young people today seem to be so brand identified and loyal. Not like we were to say DeWalt tools, Chevy cars or what ever because we believed in the quality for the buck. Now it seems brand is more for image and what the logo on your computer, shirt or bumper represents rather than what it does.

Now off to Starbucks and stop at the store for some Nikes.

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David Harding, ive read many posts here down through the years on the pc v mac thing, and id have to say thats the best post ive read on the matter. Id go as far as to say you might have killed off the debate for good. Well said sir

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Kevin,

Thank you for the kind words.

However, for some reason I sense that in some distant day in the far foggy future this debate just maybe... might possibly... conceivably... perchance... come up again.

Then again, I dunno... it's just a feeling... and I've been wrong plenty of times before.

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Id say youre right Dave. Just gotta say the keys on a mac are bigger than a pc and itll all kick off again. Why is there never a debate about which drill or make of van is best?

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i got hennie a new camera for her bithday. remember those 1st digital cameras with 2-3-4- MEGA-PIXELS???
this new camera is 16 MEGA PIXELS!!!!! we have an older camera that does 7.1 mega pixels. to put that in perspective. 7.1 camera pic is 42.00" X 33.00"!!!! thats 3072 X 2304 PIXELS or 20.3 MEGA BITES!!! thats for each picture. now you take 100 pictures @ 20 megs......now youre into gigs...real quick. i remember the day when having a 30 MEG hard drive was a big one!!!!!hehehehehehehe
OH AND THE MAC THING.....something is up with them people. back when windows 3.1 was the ticket, i was at a computer show and they had a mac there with an agfa scanner and was printing pictures. this was a big deal at the time as most PC's was running 4 megs a ram and a meg a ram at that time was over $100!!!!
so this guy with the mac/agfa setup was prinint scanned pics in about 15 minutes(that was fast then)and the mac had 16 MEGS A RAM!!!!! no wonder it was working so well. this same guy and i get to talkin and he tells me this........i nver laughed so hard in my life, and to this day it is to funny that anyone would even say this.
he tells me.....the problem with a PC, is they cant reproduce A PERFECT CIRCLE!!!!! ONLY A MAC CAN DO THAT!!!!!!!hahahahahahahahahaha

[ August 13, 2011, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]

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My first sign system in 1994 couldnt do outlines on letters originally. After a subsequent software update, that feature was introduced. Of course at the time, it was wonderful. However, when drawing outlines on maybe eight letters, you could nearly boil a kettle and the operation still wouldnt be finished. Funnily enough, in those days, circles all looked jagged on screen. Technology sure has come some distance

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My first was a Signmaker IV-A, purchased in 1984. The IV-B became the Signmaker standard but I was an early adopter. The Signmaker III was the very first model but it didn't have kerning tables and I wasn't interested until they upgraded it.

I had no regrets over buying the Signmaker when I did but I rued the day a few months later when I bought the Gerber GDS (Graphic Design Station--or insert your own interpretation of the acronym here) based on an Apple IIe. Since I also purchased an extra disk drive and a printer, I had almost ten grand tied up in that thing. The software was the worst, most useless digitizing program in history. A year later, Gerber came out with GDS II software, a $1500 upgrade on a single floppy that made the system marginally functioning. Gerber owed that update to all those who spent over five thousand dollars on the other software the previous year. I still have a bad taste in my mouth toward Gerber over that.

The Signmaker couldn't outline--that was a $7000 upgrade module, or talk to a PC unless a $2000 card was purchased. You could only view one line of copy on the Apple's screen at a time or boxes for multiple lines.

I also look back and wonder how I ever could afford to invest that kind of money on computers. I probably had $30K invested in my Signmaker, design station, and couple dozen fonts. I guess I wasn't spending money on cell phones, internet, and cable back then...

[ August 13, 2011, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: David Harding ]

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I marked on my calendar to start another Mac-PC debate on Jan. 20, 2012.

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How about Jan 20, 2013 instead? That way we can get politics involved and get a 2-for-1 deal? hehehe ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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