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Ah, so today I heard BP will be using some kinda of 'Special Mud" to plug the oil leak coming from their underwater pipes "Mud" I thought, "So what are they going to use next when that doesn't work, gum, bubble gum?" That's a real bad one down there.
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This man is from Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada about 2.5 hours from us. Check out this video - the stuff is very effective but it's going to take a LOT of it. The oil can also apparently be reclaimed and the product is non-toxic.
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Actually the mud will be packed with golf balls and rubber bands, they said last week. Thousands of gallons of it force pumped in there real fast. It kinda sounds like trying to using your fingers or hand to stop a good pee. Ouch! Golf balls?
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Since oil wants to go on top of water, I think a giant tube/pipe is just lowered above the leak, let the oil naturally travel upward throw the pipe and then sucked up by a couple of tanker ships. Kinda like a backward funnel. Sounds better than the mud thing.
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All the caps and bright ideas that came up were all designs to recuperate the oil to the surface as if in a time like this one should be concerned about profit! From day 1 the real concern should have been to just plug the hole, forget the oil (it's not going anywhere) they'll have plenty of time to suck it later...
That big white thing was not designed to avoid making a mess, it was designed to bring the profits to the surface, the little incerted pipe that failed too, was also designed to bring the oil to the surface.
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Sounds like we have some experts on deep-sea oil wells here. You all make it so simple. Why haven't any of you called and instruct them on how to solve the problem yet?
Well, if you'll excuse me. I've got to go back to being greedy so I can pay bills and put food on the table.
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Yeah but forget the acorn, think of a tap on a pipe that could be wedged in securely. Wedge it in with the tap opened (minimal friction) then close the tap.
I'm sure if they were to put the same brains that put a man on a moon on a f&?%$ng busted pipe instead of asking oil suckers for a solution, maybe that disaster could have been avoided... but hey, it's only nature and shrimps, not everybody likes that (or the people that live near it). I guess some people like their big SUVs more than their platter of seafood.
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I have worked both onshore and offshore drilling rigs and as an operator in a refinery. Don't be quick to judge the efforts and most importantly don't believe everything you hear on the news. Using synthetic mud is a standard while drilling to control flow and pressure. If you could inject the appropriate weight mud overhead at the BOP, it could stop it. Instead, they will try to inject it in the side of the BOP. Trying to force heavy mud to reverse the flow back into the well while positioning aa new flow control device on top of the broken BOP flange. The main problem here is the depth at which the BOP is in. A human with tools can work more efficiently than a robot, but that's impossible in 5000' of water. Why are we going to such extreme depths to drill for oil? Ask your local congressman. In my opinion the, the fault lies solely on the Blowout Preventer. In a nutshell it didn't do its job. An imperfect device made by imperfect people that carries an unbelievably high success rate over the last 50 or so years. Nobody wanted this to happen. And if it could be fixed it would be fixed. For us in south Louisiana this is devastating for all. We depend so much on the oil and the fishing industry. Just as there was a glimmer of hope for our economy this happened. You may be able to pressure wash the beach stones in Alaska (with minimal effectiveness) but you will never wash the marshlands. Yes, we have a responsibility to try and protect the Earth. We also have a responsibility to provide for our families. If all that is not enough.......there are 5 shopping days left before the start of hurricane season!
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My brother proposed a potential solution to Horizon. They said they would consider it but he has yet to hear back from them.
Instead of using chopped rubbish in a "junk shot," pour elemental mercury (Hg) or a derivative amalgam down the heated poly[propylene-polyolefin-lined tube down onto the breached wellhead pipe.
Mercury (Hg):
1) It's r.t. density of 13.534 gm/cm e(-3) will most assuredly penetrate the outgushing petroleum/natural gas leak
2) Under controlled temperature at the points of application/penetration, the liquid Hg will permanently seal the breach and solidify as its temperature descends below its 37.89 deg F melting point and assumes the nominal mile-deep sub-sea temperature of approximately -15 degrees F, with accompanying pressures down to 690 bar
3) Offers operational physical predictability and stability; the ambient sub-sea pressure and temperature-assured solid-state Hg will leach toxicity no more than--and perhaps much LESS than--the dental Hg amalgam found in most folks' mouths
4) Offers the benefit of simple and economical mechanical extraction integrally with robotic removal of damaged wellhead flange piping
5) Will immediately and completely stanch the present leak pathology and permanently so until the relief well bore intersects and shunts oil and gas flow from the existing compromised Deep water Horizon well shaft.
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Bryan Quebodeaux said: Why are we going to such extreme depths to drill for oil?
Key word is we, who is we and why is it that persons always say we when in fact we have nothing to do with another's decision yet only the fact that their decision effects us as we, I personally am offended when others use we as if we are the decision makers, other then that I don't give a $hit
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
quote:Originally posted by Joey Madden: Bryan Quebodeaux said: Why are we going to such extreme depths to drill for oil?
Key word is we, who is we and why is it that persons always say we when in fact we have nothing to do with another's decision yet only the fact that their decision effects us as we, I personally am offended when others use we as if we are the decision makers, other then that I don't give a $hit
Couldn't agree more. I am against the same reasoning and usage of the "we" especially when it comes to many of the decisions the U.S. government makes.
As far as the oil leakage is concerned, Kramer (Seinfeld) was working on oil tanker ruptures and had some good ideas, maybe he is also on top of this one.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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I surely hope the mud stuff works. As Bryan said, it has done the job in shallow water. But this is far different; not much different from trying to do a similar thing on another planet. Did anyone ever test a blowout preventer at 5 miles down? I can't imagine someone in a board meeting "somewhere", during the planning of this dig, didn't stop everything and ask "Excuse me, gentlemen, but just let's consider 'what if'...."
This should never have happened. First of all, our sorry-a** politicians and tree-huggers have forced us to go to these lengths to look for oil, when we have it in easy reach, on land and in shallow water. There are hundreds of wells already drilled and capped in the gulf and elsewhwere, but we're not allowed to get the oil.
Hopefully, this will get solved by people coming together and working on a real solution, like this country is known for, rather than continue to be enslaved by politicians and political correctness.
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I know what will work. Let's stick Hilary's Clinton big butt in the leak. Plug er right up!
Okay, I sorry, spank me later.
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Or we could jam all those pant suits of Hillary's in the pipe--that would work too!!!
Seriously, I know nothing about this, but it blows my mind that everyone--AND I MEAN EVERYONE--has been sitting around all these years with absolutely no plan in place to contend with something like this. So the plan was, there is no plan??? No plan anywhere in the whole world???
That's the amazing and sad thing.
-------------------- Michael Gene Adkins The Fontry 1576 S Hwy 59 Watts OK 74964 Posts: 845 | From: Watts, OK USA | Registered: Jun 1999
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As of today a group of scientists have estimated the well has spewed between 18,000,000 and 39,000,000 gals of crude oil,..much more than the "moderate" estimates BP released at the onset of this catastrophe,... the exxon tanker valdez spill in Alaska was only 11,000,000 gals in comparison,..all along the BP pr ppl have been referring to that spill as if it were some huge tragic occurance when in effect it is only gonna be a minor scratch on the enviornment compared to this episode,...all these wonderfully simple solutions often as not look great on a table top in front of a video camera but when you do the math where and how are they gonna get three times the volume of the already spilled oil in dispersant out onto the ocean then scoop it all back up? Where the hell are they going to put all that waste when it is recovered?,..Ok lets try hay,...all you are going to need is three or four times the D-day armada(largest in recorded history) in shipping freighters to haul the hay needed and disperse it out to sea to absorb the oil,..then once again how do you recover it and where the hell do ya dispose of the contaminated hay? From an engineering standpoint the whole ordeal is a logistical nightmare,and all but unsolvable,...I for one do not look forward to the long term effects of this mishap and its effects that I feel will be around for quite some time before mankind becomes convinced he can't fool around with mother nature in a very (c)rude way
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Just another big case for developing low cost fuel cells.
What gripes me (which is stated in the video link below) is how the drilling companies claim to be so much more technologically advanced than they were 30 some years ago. Their advancements have been geared strictly to drilling in deeper water and further underground in those waters, but they are using the same blow out preventers that they were using 30 years ago that failed on several occasions. You'd think they could have come up with a fail safe preventer by now.
I kinda agree with Joey. We? No oil companies are owned by United States companies any more.
Thank you for your submission to the Alternative Response Technology process for the Horizon Incident. This email is notifying you that your solution has been escalated for further technical review. Please see the attachment for a complete explanation of the ART process.
Thank you, The Alternative Response Technology Team
It currently is at the 3rd stage of 4 to be approved or rejected.If they escalate it to the next level they will be in contact with him for testing protocol.
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So when the first hurricane hits, it's gonna be raining oil, gas, poisonous cleanup solutions, golf balls, rubber, mercury, hay, and concrete on me.
Great!
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Correct Jon, and don't forget that your insurance may cover you for hurricane damage but not from damage caused by golf balls thrown by the hurricane.
-------------------- Pat Whatley Montgomery, AL (334) 262-7446 office (334) 324-8465 cell Posts: 1306 | From: Wetumpka, AL USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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maybe they could plug it with magic sculpt.
-------------------- Charles Borges de Oliveira Borges Lettering & Design Snohomish WA Posts: 352 | From: Snohomish WA | Registered: Mar 2003
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Well, the special mud failed. "Will all living creatures big and small please evacuate the area."
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This has ramifications on the planet. Not just one specific area or trade.The damage to the structure in the ocean alone is monumental.It is a very delicate balance which has been upset.
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