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I've heard of acrylic gold size in passing on the bb. Since we use acrylic paints exclusively in our shop I was wondering how the acrylic gold size would work with that for surface gilding for exterior use.
Does anybody have experience with acrylic size? Does it hold up over time? What is the open window with this size? Which brands are available? Where do I get it?
Thanks in advance...
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I like them for panel art in the right circumstance. Any I've used are interior use. (wunda, mona-lisa) I've heard of people using the wunda size on bike tanks but they get cleared/sealed.
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There is a water based size and activator called Instacoll that used to be distributed by Sepp Leaf Products, but I've never used it. The size is acrylic and painted on just like any other size (it comes in clear and yellow). After it dries you brush or wipe on an activator and wait a few minutes - then apply the leaf.
It produces a very high shine. It is advertised as being for both interior and exterior use. I got a free sample at a Letterhead gathering about ten years ago, but never tried it.
A call to Sepp would probably answer a lot of questions. 212-683-2840
-------------------- Chapman Sign Studio Temple, Texas chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net Posts: 6306 | From: Temple, Texas, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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...Props to Istacoll! It is an amazing size w. great qualities. It is ready for leaf almost immediately, and on a smooth enough surface, it yields a (near) mirror finish. ...I don't believe that Rick Glawson used for out door stuff. Maybe it's been 'improved' since then.
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If sized object is to newly painted or to glossy the acrylic size that I use( one component, looks like skimmed milk, turns via light blue to transparent in 15 minutes) somehow selfatractcs ( like mercury does)
Good drying time and a good scuff (buff) makes it a lot easier
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That sound real Interesting.. Does it flow out smoothly like oil Size. That seams to be the problem I am having with the Wunda.. Leaves a lot of brush strokes.
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I think Stein is refering to Wundasize. I have not used it for outdoors. It never hardens, stays rubbery. I have also heard of clearcoating the gild with Wundasize under it but I wonder how clearcoating something that doesn't harden would work. Back to the Instacoll, I haven't used it in a long time. I actually forgot about it but still have some. I remember it flowing pretty smooth for a water based product, probably not as good flowing as oil size. After it's open time is over it can be re-activated with a watery clear liquid activator for many days more if I remember correctly. The one thing that could be a drawback is the gilded finish comes out very shiny, almost like gold plating. Thats why I used it on finials but not on lettering.
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I use the Instacol and find it holds up fine outdoors. It's great for balls and newells and objects that need to be bright. It's too bright for letters, you wouldn't be able to read them they're so bright. The stuff comes from Germany.
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Instacoll now has its own activator and is the only acrylic suitable for exterior use. While the other single component acrylics give an excellent gild, they are not suitable for exterior. Just overcoating with a clear does not ensure durability for the clear breaking down is most likely sooner than later. That is why I do not reccommend using clear over gold except in extreme rough service applications. The downside of the acrylics is as Rick said, the gild is almost too bright for most applications.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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I also have some instacol which I only experimented with once. The gild was to bright for me. On the other hand I saw a job out of Glawson and Evans in copper leaf and is was drop dead beautiful where I would have expected the leaf to be too thick for that method. Slick without seams.
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I also have some instacol which I only experimented with once. The gild was to bright for me. On the other hand I saw a job out of Glawson and Evans in copper leaf and is was drop dead beautiful where I would have expected the leaf to be too thick for that method. Slick without seams. I should add that it was exterior and coated with a favourite of his "Frog Juice"
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I've used Wunda size ,BUT I have brush stroke problems. I don't trust it for truck lettering or bike work. Is there any one who uses this for this type of work?
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