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The mad chemist are at it again,,,,at our expense. And just who are these guys? How do they test this stuff? Anyone here ever get a call from them? I'd love to get one of those guys on the phone.
-------------------- Signs by Alicia Jennings (Mudflap Girl) Tacoma, WA Since 1987 Have Lipstick, will travel. Posts: 3814 | From: Tacoma, WA. U.S.A. | Registered: Dec 1999
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quote:Originally posted by Alicia B. Jennings: I'd love to get one of those guys on the phone.
ME too !
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It's not bad enough that they've screwed up our paints.....now they gotta ruin the thinner too.
I've been doing more painting with acrylics, since the above shenanigans. I'm not hating it so much now, but it's just not as "nice" to work with. It doesn't flow, brush marks stay forever. But it does have some redeeming factors. A good sized sign I've been working on has required at least 2 coats on almost all the graphics. With the temps being in the upper 70's-lower 80's lately, I've been able to do 4 or five letters, then come back and recoat pretty quickly.
-------------------- Dale Feicke Grafix 714 East St. Mendenhall, MS 39114
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me." Posts: 2963 | From: Mendenhall, MS | Registered: Apr 1999
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Thanks George, I figured this was a reaction to the old 6000 turning "hard" or to gel before you could use a whole can. I still use the low temp and the high temp but over all I liked the old 6000 especially for reducing for airbrushing.
My main concern was that this new product would not be compatible with older one shot paint for I recently aquired some old stock, not to mention my own stock has been around a while depending on the color.
-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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making the switch to latex in many applications. Double and even triple coating is the down side. Up side is lower cost paints, easier clean-up and color fastness in a wider range of colors. try Mack Water based Bushes. I love them.
-------------------- Bob Sauls Sauls Signs & Designs Tallahassee, Fl
"Today I'll meet nice people and draw for them!" Posts: 765 | From: Tallahassee, Fl | Registered: Jun 2009
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If I Joey Madden said that 1-Shot brought in ChromAflo to replace 6000 because of what I discussed with both Tramp Warner and the CEO's of 1-Shot almost a year ago, would you have believed me?
and if you have already mentioned it, I must have missed it. I do remember something over the years about chromaflo,
I was more concerned with figuring out if the 6000 was changed or was it possibly just this new can I recieved. Like I said it's characteristics have changed. Same label, same number just different stuff in the can.
It was not uncommon to open a can and find the characteristics different than the last time it was opened.
Most likely would have been maybe a better idea to retire 6000 and make a new label for the new stuff.
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-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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My understanding is that 6000 is a replication of our original Chromaflo formula. Because of its superior retarding capability, use less but stir thoroughly. I just received some and it works the same. Remember that it has oil and a resin enhancer in addition to the reducer so it floats until mixed in.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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They have that "Ask Louie" feature on their website. I sent them a question about the binder in Poster and got back a polite, but "it is our secret" answer. As smart as we all are, I imagine one of us will crack the wall of silence and finally get to know some paint engineer/chemist out there who can really tell us the inner workings of sign enamels. My hunch is to get the answers in China and I am working on that through my brother. All it takes is one to blab and we can all understand how this works much better and to our advantage. 'Proprietory' knowledge in these days of improved communication seems like it will be a thing of the past.
-------------------- Preston McCall 112 Rim Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 text: 5056607370 Posts: 1552 | From: Santa Fe, New Mexico | Registered: Nov 1998
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Preston, Kent Smith worked for a while with Steve Berman at Chromatics where ChromAflo was invented so to speak. I lived within a mile of Chromatic back then where I believe I met Mr.Smith, I had just driven in from the west coast L.A. and Vegas where I worked upsetting the applecart. It was just coincidence that I moved close to the paint company of which paint was my second choice as I used both HoK and Chromatic because of the way it was made. I basically know the formula for it along with other formulas from other companies which I won't disclose because my work is my bond.
Oh well, who really gives a flying f........
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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Joey or Kent...do either of you know who some of the chemists were back in the early eighties at Chromatic. I used to talk with one of them, who's name I can't recall for the life of me. I think he had worked at DuPont at one time. This man was very, very helpful to me on numerous occasions.
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
"I started out with nothing and still have most of it left"
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