posted
Those do work great don't they. But notice the hooded sweatshirt. There's a reason for that! Cover all surface that you don't want covered with rubber eraser crubblies!
-------------------- Jane Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, Il. 61764 815-844-7024 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 4102 | From: Pontiac, IL USA | Registered: Feb 1999
| IP: Logged |
I have used the pneumatic one with the "teeth" in the wheel. Its better in my opinion because of going to the side, it spins vertically, and a lot easier to control...
Just don't use it on a fiberglass body. It turns the paint yellow...
-------------------- Mark Kottwitz Kottwitz Graphics Ridgely, MD www.SeeMySignWork.com -------------------------- Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein Posts: 746 | From: Ridgely, MD | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
My mind wanders. And that's not a good thing, 'cause it's too small to be out there alone. Posts: 3129 | From: Tooele, UT | Registered: Mar 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Wallpaper steamer, heat gun, Scraperite plastic razor blades, Rapid Remove and the wheel as a last resort. God I hate removing vinyl.
-------------------- Bob Moroney The Sign Guy 310 Club Valley Drive Falmouth, MA 02536 508-259-6297 Posts: 216 | From: Falmouth, MA | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged |
posted
i do hate removing lettering. in fact this was a first for me. the vinyl was so dry at some places that a scraper was out. I did the wheel thing outside so no mess in the shop. to me it was a good experience about doing a thing i always refuse to consider doing. I do love the idea about the gas and matches though as the belt grinder would probably attack the paint.
-------------------- Élaine Beauchemin scrip Lettrage Scripsit inc. St-Hubert, Quebec, Canada www.scripsit.net Posts: 1096 | From: Saint-Hubert, Québec, Canada | Registered: Nov 1998
| IP: Logged |
-------------------- Tony Vickio The World Famous Vickio Signs 3364 Rt.329 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 t30v@vickiosigns.com 607-535-6241 http://www.vickiosigns.com Posts: 1063 | From: Watkins Glen, New York | Registered: Sep 2001
| IP: Logged |
posted
I recently got called to letter a truck where the owners had a brilliant idea. They just took white paint and painted over the old vinyl lettering.
It took some discussion, but I eventually convinced them that putting new vinyl lettering over the old vinyl/paint was not going to look that great and talked them into removing all that crap and repainting the doors of the truck.
-------------------- Jon Jantz Snappysign.com jjantz21@gmail.com http://www.allcw.com Posts: 3395 | From: Atmore, AL | Registered: Nov 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
I think if you only have one method for removing vinyl you are really short-changing yourself. It's good to have a wheel for some removal jobs, especially vinyl that has been on for a really long time and has started to crack and break into a bunch of little pieces.
True, your suggestion did produce quick results, but now the new lettering looks weird w/all the lines and ruts in it, plus brush run out over larger ridges.....is this normal?
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
Expensive??? Well then, that calls for putting it up on services rendered board, way cool, another hat to wear...uh, are there any books on how to do it on purpose??? I guess I should name it, how about the "Wiggly Dan" texture???
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
Or you could just have my competitor letter your van. In a year it will just fall off.
Got to love competitors like this. But this brings up another question. How do guys like this stay in business? I guess this proves that many customers just don't care about quality or design, they just want it cheap.
At least this customer cared. He came to me for a new sign to replace this peeling sign that was up less than a year.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5401 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
| IP: Logged |
posted
Roger, I don't know if it's that or he knows nothing about what kind of paint that vinyl likes. All I know is he buys the cheapest stuff he can get his hands on.
I've tried the vinyl eraser in the drill and I keep it only for what Ben said. I can remove it just as fast with a heat gun and Rapid Remover and not have the mess. When you get the heat just right, most times vinyl and adhesive come off clean. When the heat is not perfect, that's when you seem to leave adhesive.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5401 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
| IP: Logged |
posted
A heat gun works, ok, if you don't get the vinyl to hot. I control that buy the feel of the heat on my hand about 10'' from the gun. It takes a little practice to get it right. I tell the customer it will cost about half the cost of taking the truck to a body shop, and we can do it all in one trip. Mark
-------------------- Mark Baty Mark 1 Studio 1980 SE Leeann Drive Waukee, IA 50263 Posts: 45 | From: Waukee, Iowa | Registered: Aug 2008
| IP: Logged |
posted
Dave, Could you share that photo of the vinyl falling of, as it would be a great visual if you are trying to sell a paint job to a customer.
-------------------- Mark Baty Mark 1 Studio 1980 SE Leeann Drive Waukee, IA 50263 Posts: 45 | From: Waukee, Iowa | Registered: Aug 2008
| IP: Logged |
posted
DAVE! My email is mbaty@mchsi.com Thanks Mark
-------------------- Mark Baty Mark 1 Studio 1980 SE Leeann Drive Waukee, IA 50263 Posts: 45 | From: Waukee, Iowa | Registered: Aug 2008
| IP: Logged |
posted
Dave and Mark, you guys should really give the "bodyshop heat lamp tree" (in my removal video here www.youtube.com/rapidtac ) a try, they are sooo fast and uniform with the temperature. I can get a complete door of vinyl hot (the right temp.) in just 2 minutes, then you just start pulling vinyl. My 0.02
Roger
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532 Posts: 3020 | From: Merlin Oregon | Registered: Dec 1998
| IP: Logged |
posted
Kinda like what Jon was talking about...guy around here had a truck he bought with old vinyl lettering on it. Took it to a "competitor" down the street and had them cut a square of vinyl to cover up the old lettering and then put his lettering on top of that. Great looking job!
It does save a lot of mess, though....
-------------------- Dale Feicke Grafix 714 East St. Mendenhall, MS 39114
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me." Posts: 2963 | From: Mendenhall, MS | Registered: Apr 1999
| IP: Logged |
Vinyl-Off 10-4 Liquid Vinyl & Adhesive Remover Click here for Wrap Wash and Wrap Polish
Would you like to strip vinyl and adhesive safely and easily from almost any surface in 5 to 15 minutes? The revolutionary new spray-on liquid vinyl remover, Vinyl-Off 10-4, has no smell! It's biodegradable, non-toxic, non-flammable, and water-soluble - almost as safe as bath soap! This product is environmentally friendly and completely safe. It won't damage paint on factory automotive finishes or most other painted surfaces. (As always, test an inconspicuous spot first.) Just spray on and peel off! The adhesive comes off, too! It takes all the struggle out of removing vinyl graphics.
"Yes! It really does work!" T.R. (780) 497-****
Pulling off 4+ year-old vinyl and adhesive without heat!
What was once a nasty job is almost fun when you use Vinyl-Off 10-4. Removing the old stuff can be a labourious, time-consuming chore when scraping dry, and you have to be so careful not to damage the paint, particularly on automotive surfaces. In the past, once you had the vinyl off, you still had to remove the adhesive. With Vinyl-Off 10-4, you simply spray it or wipe it on (if you spray, you might want to give a quick wipe to distribute evenly), and wait a few minutes. The Vinyl-Off penetrates the vinyl to deactivate the adhesive, so it all comes off in one step! Within 5 to 15 minutes you can pull off most graphics - no scraping! For those tough, old jobs, just leave it on longer. It even works after being left overnight. Adding heat, especially in cool conditions may speed up the process.
[ April 18, 2010, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: Joe Crumley ]
-------------------- Joe Crumley Norman Sign Company 2200 Research Park Blvd. Norman, OK 73069 Posts: 1428 | From: 2200 Research Park Blvd. | Registered: Sep 2001
| IP: Logged |
That sounds great, but does is really work? I may have to get some and give it a try.
I'm not interested in manual labor unless absolutely necessary.
Thanks Dale
[ April 18, 2010, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: Joe Crumley ]
-------------------- Joe Crumley Norman Sign Company 2200 Research Park Blvd. Norman, OK 73069 Posts: 1428 | From: 2200 Research Park Blvd. | Registered: Sep 2001
| IP: Logged |
posted
I truly was impressed by the tool as it had no use of chemicals and took off the most stubborn vinyl with no marks whatsoever.
Now, you wouldn't want to breathe the stuff when it flies off and I would advise using the necessary goggles too, and just let the machine do the work. If there is ghosting, then I am interested in the ghost off if it works, also.
-------------------- Deb Fowler
"It's kind of fun to do the impossible - Walt Disney (1901-1966) Posts: 5373 | From: Loves Park, Illinois | Registered: Aug 1999
| IP: Logged |
posted
The place I used to work for tried some of that vinyl off. I didn't like it at all, but I suppose it could make a difference what type of vinyl you are trying to remove. The formulas for the glues isn't always the same, and I'm no chemist, but I would guess a product that works well with one type of vinyl might be crap for another type. The company I was working for used only FDC vinyls, which is just a supplier, so your guess is as good as mine as to what manufacturer actually made the vinyl.
posted
I tried the vinyl off (a joke). Anyone who'll pay the shipping can have whats left of it. In fact, I've tried everything. 20 years has taught me one sure fire method, and I'm giving it up here for free boys & girls.
You just can't beat 3m's 8907 woodgrain & stripe remover. Two coats of that SH*T and a little heat with a Lil chizzler and your done.
There's a reaon it's $15 bucks a can, it doesn't mess around.
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[Rolling On The Floor]](graemlins/rolf.gif)
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
![[Bash]](graemlins/bash.gif)
![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic