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Does anyone know why everyone hates Corel? Everytime I meet some type of "designer guy" I need to email files to or get files from and I tell them I use Corel and I always get some kind of snyde comment about Corel. My Wholesale print guy HATES corel and constantly tells me "real designers don't use corel". I had one guy say "Corel? haha, who the hell still uses that?" I'm asking here because I know there are a lot of Corel users here and I love Corel. Maybe it's the familiarity, but I've tried photoshop and illy but didn't like them much......Am I missing something by not using them or is Corel the coolest Underdog program for all the jazzyfatnasties and I was a poet like Langston Hughes when I cruise down the espressway, saving my designs I say "suave"...mice are inserted into my USB so I can click , save as.., never have to use my backups....(insert break here)
I think its something of a Chevy vs. Ford where CorelDraw and Illustrator are concerned.
I have both CorelX4 and Illustrator CS4. Of the two, I like CorelDraw better for illustration & design purposes. It may have something to do with the fact that I've been using Corel since version 1.0 and I didn't start with Illustrator until CS.
However, in terms of photo manipulation and color separations, I think that Photoshop is better than Photopaint. It is a bit more robust, IMHO, even though Photopaint can do 95% of what Photoshop can do. Of course, the fact that there are far more 3rd party options for Photoshop than Photopaint makes a difference too. I think Corel needs to take a hard look at Photopaint and at least try to make those same plug-ins work for them as well.
So, why do printers and the hoity-toity prefer Illustrator and Photoshop and hate Corel? Well, besides the fact that the print industry started with Macs when the industry began switching over to computers years ago, most schools teach using Illustrator and Photoshop. It becomes what they're used to.
Mac vs. PC. Corel vs. Adobe. Ford vs. Chevy.
I have found it necessary for my shop to have both sets of programs if just for the ease of being able to accept pretty much any file sent to me and avoid the back and forth that sometimes occurs with our clients and ad agencies.
Here are two t-shirt designs that I printed earlier this past week for a client. One was done entirely in Corel Draw. The other was done entirely in Photoshop.
Can anyone guess which was done in which program?
The reason for the different programs is because of a unique ability available in one program not available in the other. After the layouts were approved by the client, both files were prepared and color separated in Photoshop for screen printing CMYK.
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I'll venture a guess for Track Attack in Photoshop... but I no absolutely nothing of Photopaint... never once laid eyes on it, so just a wild guess based on some of the rastor effects
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Track Attack looks like it could easily be done in CorelDraw. (well not THAT easily!! ) So I am gonna vote for "Track Attack" being done in Draw.
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I agree completely with what Glenn said. I grew up on Illy and Photoshop. I bought Corel for my Mac way back in version 4. It was clunky and didn't work well. It crashed a lot and was slow so I gave up on it. Glad I did since Corel abandoned making a version for Macs. Also, it seems that Corel has a quirk I still run into once in a while. Whenever I open a file where fonts have been converted to outlines, and I see letters that are divided up into sections, when I inquired about it, I've found that it was always a Corel file saved as an eps. Other than that, I believe that it is a fine program and you'll like whatever you're used to.
I've seen great work in Corel and may people swear by it. Why do people scoff at it? Must be an inferiority complex where they are groping at anything to make themselves feel superior.
Glenn, my guess is the bottom one is Photoshop.
Edit: Oh yeah. One thing I've found peculiar is that Adobe converts fonts to outlines and Corel converts fonts to curves. Shouldn't it be curves and straight lines? Just kidding.
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I have seen the disdain that some Adobe users have for Corel users. Most of it is unwarranted. It is a snobbery thing. Kind of like the disdain MAC users have for PC users.
Personally, I don't care what you are using. An inferior tool in the hands of a master craftsman will still work better than the best tool in the hands of a novice.
I have used both CorelDRAW and Illustrator. I think Corel X3 rocks. CS2, to me, is awkward to use. I "grew up" using CASmate and I admit looking down on the Corel users. At the time, I found Corel 5 and 8 to be lacking. Corel X3 changed my opinion and made me a believer.
Corel, to their credit and show of foresight, went to their end users and asked them what changes, improvements, complaints, features, etc was needed for the next upgrade. Adobe would never do that. They don't seem care what their users want or need. You just have to accept whatever they give you.
However, as much as I like Corel now, I will forever be DrCAS... DrCOREL just doesn't do it for me...
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Yep. Track Attack is purely Corel. The other is purely Photoshop.
Mark,
No, the 3rd party software only works in Photoshop since it is really just a series of actions that the programer developed directly in Photoshop. I can separate in Corel manually, but I have to make some serious trial & error adjustments to compensate for dot gain and whatever brand of ink I chose to use. I've slowly begun learning to separate spot colors manually in Photoshop for some of the more unique jobs we screen print and have been using the 3rd party separator less and less.
Guys like Dane Clement has a pretty decent DVD on how to use Corel for file prep, separations and such. I hope to invest in his tutorials if the funds ever become available or if Santa has pity on me. I see he likes to use Photoshop a lot for raster manipulation, then separate the image and export it via DCS2 into Corel for text treatments.
I'm currently working on a presentation folder and a 3-up consecutive for a client (bootywax.com). They will both be done entirely in Corel. However, one of the printers we're using is strictly Adobe. The challenge is going to be to get the file to transfer over without anything getting screwed up.
For some reason, when I send a CMYK file out via Corel's PDF using the default settings, the colors get muddy and dull. If I export the same Corel file out as AI, then open it in Illustrator and then save it as a PDF via Illustrator the colors come out as intended.
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I definitely need to play with photoshop and illustrator more, but yeah...I learned on Corel and now it's my "go to" program for when I need to get the job done. It would be nice to have a week to just learn techniques old and new to better my knowledge of sign crafting in general. I'm feeling like I'm in a creative box lately, just coloring in the lines and not venturing into different styles. That's a bad thing. Time for some inspiration me thinks!
I'm working on a new website for them at the moment. I've put up a temporary landing page. The company who did their website originally did a horrid job. I've completely revamped all of their bottle labels recently (everything was done in Corel) and am currently working on the new label designs for their product accessories line.
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Glen Kinda Answered my reply why I hate Corel.. And its probably more my ignorance than anything but I always seem to have a problem with color management in Corel. Things would look great on the screen but printed like total crap. I upgraded printers a new rip. (Signlab) at the same time and so I can't say if it was the versaworks or what but Even now when someone sends me a cmx the colors always seem to shift between programs.. Whereas I don't have that problem between SL and PS
Just been using Signlab and Photoshop for so long that I just don't want to hassle with new programs.
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Nice job Glenn, I just wanted to see how it went. That is one of my fonts. Designed 10 yrs ago and purchased from SignDNA about 3 weeks ago.
Small World!
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i love flexi however flexi sucks for making things look great on paper. i drag it over to AI and embellish it. ive never used corel and im not going to bash it, dont know how to use it and dont care to learn
a few graphic companies around here use and some embroidery people also i think they can digitize on it
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Thanks Jack. It was designed probably 5 or 6 years ago. The client had 3 criteria that I had to meet. He wanted a swoosh (already overused by then), the lettering had to have a rainbow color blend and he wanted a script.. It isn't what I would have chosen, but he was happy and I got paid rather well..
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I have been using Corel for around ten years now, and am presently using X3 it does everything I need it to do. I could learn to use Illy, but would rather use the time enhancing my Corel skills. I am often asked why I use Corel, I just say it beats the pencil I used for 30 Years!
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I think colleges teach Illustrator because they use Macs instead of getting involved in making sure that art students learn much about real computers. Shame, because Corel is a lot more fun to use; it seems more intuitive and sure costs a LOT less.
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I wish Corel would fix it so the drop shadows and lens effects would print correctly when sent to a commercial printer! You have to import your Corel file into Photoshop to fix this. Also, like Bill said, the colors never print right. This is why the ad guys & printers hate Corel. ADOBE WINS in the print catagory. On the other hand COREL WINS in the sign design catagory because of it's ability to work in scale and draw dimensional measurements. It's also easier to manipulate type in Corel.
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Glenn. I always break apart the shadows, we still have problems with printing. If we go through Photoshop or print a PDF that will usually fix it.
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That is unusual. I've been sending Corel files to my vinyl print wholesaler and never had a problem. What version of Corel are you using? I'm using X4.
Edit: I forgot to mention this. My client just came in a few moments ago to order more shirts. The Track Attack sold out the first day. The "Beast" shirts sold out the following day. Woohoo!!
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) So I am gonna vote for "Track Attack" being done in Draw.
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