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Paul Luszcz
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I got my first request to put a graphic on a sail after over six years being located in a marina.

The only process I can think of is screen printing or hand painting. Is that correct?

Is anyone willing to do this here in Massachusetts?

[ February 27, 2009, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Paul Luszcz ]

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Paul Luszcz
Zebra Visuals
27 Water Street
Plymouth, MA 02360
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Bill Modzel
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There is an adhesive backed polyester made for just this purpose.
Creative banner sells it under the name fabricbright.
Also, Bainbridge Aquabatten, in MA sells a couple of similar products in a wider width. 800-224-3524

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Bill Modzel
Mod-Zel screen Printing
Traverse city, MI
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Paul Luszcz
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Does this really hold up under sail? I've had trouble with that product on nylon banners.

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Paul Luszcz
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roger bailey
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Paul, poor results on this application are usually due to cleaning procedures and or cleaning products.

Roger

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Roger Bailey
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Bill Modzel
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Paul,
Bainbridge is an actual boating supply outfit and that's what they sell. I've made a few dozen logo decals of this for a sailboard club and they have been happy. I didn't install them either.

I have also used it on those pop up type tents successfully.

The stuff is a pain to transfer as the adhesive is very strong. I acutually use intermediate vinyl as a premask for the stuff. Normal premask won't lift it off the backer.

I have had issues with the product on a nylon flag however. I suspect it was because flag material is less dimensionally stable than sail cloth.

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Bill Modzel
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Jon Butterworth
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Paul, I have done sails and do two or three tents per month using screen inks.

Either directly painted by hand or using a paint mask and spray.

Intermediate vinyl maks a good mask.

Inks are thinned with lacquor thinners which "bites" into the material.

Very flexible and durable.

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Ian Stewart-Koster
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Aslan make a pant mask, called "Sail Mask"
It's waaay more agressive in tack than ordinary vinyl, and it sticks well to fabrics & coarse canvases etc.

YOu can plot what you need in that, and then airbrush vinyl screen ink on, then weed the mask off.

Go easy, as you don't want the logo's paint to be heavier than the sail, and to act like a garbage-can lid up there on the cloth! Also test for compatibility of the lacquer thinners with the fabric- you don't want to disintergrate it.

Or try dye-sublimation.

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I've used Bainbridge sailcloth, bought directly from them, and also bought it (converted to 15" perf. for sprocket plotters)from Clarke Systems (AKA Spandex)

I've used it on sailboard sails, but they are rigid materials & less comparable to your needs Paul, but I've also sold dozens of sailcloth lettering and graphics for kite boarding kites, which are a nylon material that may be more similar to your clients needs. They have lasted fairly well, under challenging conditions of being dragged over the beach & stuffed in a bag after each use. They don't last forever though, and NazDar 2 part DA series nylon inks were the better solution

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I would recommend insignia cloth (FabricBrite is one brand name) as mentioned above. Thank you Bill for mentioning using intermediate vinyl as transfer tape for this stuff. I've tried almost everything else and transferring a large graphics with a spiders web of masking tape is hardly the elegant solution (but it sometimes works as a last resort)

[ February 28, 2009, 12:23 AM: Message edited by: Kerry Hargraves ]

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Kerry H
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On the topic of transfer tape alternatives, I've always used 2" clear packing tape. Might have to try 3 mil vinyl next time though...

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Doug Allan
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Hi Paul,

I would contact a sail maker. He could stitch a simple graphic on made out of sail material. Just like the O'day circle that is stitched on my sail boat's sail.

Joe

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Joe Abner
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Bill Modzel
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If you going to use ink, I totally agree with Doug. NazDar's DA series is pretty much indestructible. It will outlast the sail.
I've has red nylon banners fray and fall apart and the print looked like it was done yesterday.

It also waterproofs the knees in snowmobile suites for ice fishing for you northerners.

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Bill Modzel
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