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What do you like for calendered vinyl to use on banners.. corro etc.
-------------------- We get you noticed Henry Edmonds X-treme Signs & Graphics South Hill, VA xtremesigns@yahoo.com Posts: 142 | From: South Hill, Va. | Registered: Jun 2001
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Banners, coro and anything temporary but I only carry it in black, blue, red and green. There is actually a significant price difference between calendar and cast when doing these type of signs and the going rate for banners around here sucks.
-------------------- Joy Kjer Art On Display Signs 4001 Randolph St Lincoln, NE
"My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot." Posts: 445 | From: 4001 Randolph St. Lincoln, NE | Registered: Jun 2002
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Henry, I use Oracal 651 for calendered vinyl. It's nice to work with and is pretty decent stuff. I'm like Joy, I usually keep black, red, and blue to use for the short term items.
It almost stays looking good TOO long for temporary signage. I go by a building twice a day that has a banner I made for them up on the wall... I did it about 5 years ago as a temporary sign while they decided what to do about a permanent sign. It still looks good and they still have not ordered their permanent sign.... been wishing that banner would wear out so they'd be forced to make up their mind about their sign.
-------------------- Jon Jantz Snappysign.com jjantz21@gmail.com http://www.allcw.com Posts: 3395 | From: Atmore, AL | Registered: Nov 2005
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Henry, I use calendered on what you describe - cheap, temporary signs. However, I also use it on interior signs where glare may be a problem. I'll try to keep a decent choice of colors in stock for this reason. Overall, the price difference on typical orders works out to only a few dollars. The amount probably doesn't justify the cost of maintaining a larger inventory though.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Do some tests with calendered vinyls on banners. Calon calendered works quite well on banners as it has fairly good flexibility. Some of the lower grade calendered vinyls are too stiff and don't hold onto PVC banners too well when they're getting blown away.
For long term banners use specific banner vinyl, it will save you from the headache phone calls of failures
-------------------- Anne McDonald 17 Karnak Crescent Russley Christchurch 8042 New Zealand
"I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure" Posts: 877 | From: Christchurch | Registered: Sep 2006
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I use A-6 a lot also....no probs. Our area chamber of commerce has a billboard out on the highway that I maintain. It has 6 banners on it that I rotate out monthly to highlight local businesses. Some of them have been around for 6 years, and all are still looking good. I have done several other banners, billboard wraps, and regular MDO or aluminum signs, that are several years old, done in calendared, and still fine. I have some of these that have outlasted the businesses they were made for.
In spite of our best efforts to deliver a good product when hand painting, are we delivering a 'high performance' product when we use 1 Shot, the only lasts a year or two before fading out?
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I agree with Anne's comments about Arlon's Cal-Plus, it's good stuff. I won't say anything about Avery
Havin' fun,
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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I think the calendered quality issues are a myth, I remember reading here and taking note years ago (late 90's) about cast films, so I stocked just cast vinyl for most things, banners we painted with screen inks, or used a banner vinyl there are special cheap versions, and there are types like Avery Signflex? that are used for long term applications on softsides. We had more failures with cast than anything else vinyls lifting from vehicle paintwork, but the glue was still on the vehicle, so it wasn't a prep issue.
Over here you get 5 year calendered films, we use an 8 year calendered for everything, and have had no issues at all, that's an Avery product here.
Also use Mactac 9800 series calendered which is very good, and we use Macfleet for covering whole vehicles, which isn't cast either, just printed and wrapped a 54 cadillac dashboard with it.
Ok over rivets its a problem but over here most truck sides are now made of composite sheet material.
When it comes to pressings in van sides etc we cut away around window pressings and you never think about it afterwards, I have put cast in the same places, heated it afterwards and still seen it fail later.
Because of emission regulations most haulage companies here change trucks quite regularly, and cars nd light commercials are often 3-5 year deals.
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Checkers made a good point. If you aren't knocking out enough short term signs to use up a roll of intermediate in a year, you are better off using what you have in stock. The actual dollar cost per sign of vinyl used is usually only a few bucks. Unless you are doing a lot of those signs, you are spending more on inventory than what you are saving. We only buy intermediate for large short term sign orders where we will use more of the roll than what cast would cost.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5397 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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I pretty much use only Arlon Cal-Plus for banners, coroplast & other cheapie/temp signs. It's silly to use HP on these substrates which costs 5 times as much.
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Well I will back up Henry's comments... I have been using Calons Intermediate Vynil for almost everything, including Vehicles for the past 20 plus years.... and I've hardly never had a problem with them.. I buy aprx $20,000 worth of the stuff a year.... Quote "I have had more failures using premium Vynil the scattered time I have use the bloody stuff" Now that is using Arlon's premium Vynil... but nowadays I use Arlon conform for wraps or partial wraps.. with great success.
And if you think that there's not much a price difference in using 20 grand of intermediate vynil and Premium vynil... well guess again.
I'm talking about Arlon here...I know some of the other brands intermediate stuff sucks.
That's my story and I'm "Stcking" to it...get it? Sticking? ok I go now.
-------------------- "Keep Positive"
SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Neil I agree when you are buying those quantities ... but I'm not a "sticky" man
I do conceed to using Oracal 751 black and white as it's cheaper than Callon Cast but can't match the colours between the two brands for mainly repeat business with regular long term customers.
My paint stock is worth mre than my vinyl stock last stocktake!
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