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First off, I'm not trying to start a riot but I'm amazed how I never remembered seeing these type of things back in the day and also cannot remember having a sh-tload of persons becoming overnight designers complete with all the tools a professional would have.
I truly don't miss my good ol'days because I've brought it all with me up to this point and even have the car I drove back then and its still non computerized.
I do like what we have today as well as the persons I've come in contact with, all while working through the computer
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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Jus for kicks, I just now placed an ad on Craigslist. I put in the ad "Price? Very expensive, cause I'm the best" So lets see what happens.
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Mark, while we have all had to start somewhere, I don't believe most of us used stencils and tried to pawn it off as custom work...and of course, we didn't have the internet to publically proclaim our creativity.
And most of us knew that we were beginners and had a long way to go. Still do.
-------------------- Chapman Sign Studio Temple, Texas chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net Posts: 6306 | From: Temple, Texas, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Being "self taught" and learning in the "school-of-hard-knocks", I was fortunate enough to be able to open my ears and eyes to "advice"!
I shudder when looking at photos of my early work ... but it makes me love even more trying to help others in the direction of what can be done with talent.
A lot was said here in jest between people who been "there" and remind ourselves, and laugh.
"Ridicule" often works better than "rejection" when trying to teach. If the pupil can't take it, others who read this thread either, and don't learn something .... try a smack to the thick skull with a brick!
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I remember the first paying sign that I painted which was one of them spring loaded deals in front of a gas station. I made $15 bucks, it took me a week working after school where I had to drive 8 miles one way from home. I drove by that sign for weeks feeling a sense of accomplishment. It looked like the amateur job that it was but in my heart...I had joined the club! It was 1954.
Jack
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-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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I'm not defending the quality of the sign. I also realize the bashing was really at minimum.
The way I read the craigslist post was that someone was at least trying. It said custom work avilable ... if that customer wanted a stencil font would that not be custom? If they did it on a computer and cut a mask would that be better?(well, not that layout)
I probably should have stenciled some of my first works.
Dennis, do you not see a difference between responding directly to a person based on what that person said versus hey everybody let's make fun of this unknown person?
That's OK I can enjoy a little pot every once and a while.
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"There is A LOT of love and time and sweat put into these signs. It says a lot about the owners, when they put a little extra into their signs. One sign takes 2 weeks to finish."
Mark,there is a big difference between this person and the people on this board. When they started with crude attempts they saw it as a beginning and strove to get better. This one feels that their work is already top notch. That is what is unrealistic and funny and sad all at the same time.
You're right, giving someone a hard time for making mistakes in a second language is much nicer.
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I don't believe the assertion that it takes 2 weeks to finish a sign like this...however, if it's only 5 or 10 minutes a day for 2 weeks then that statement could be true.
This guy is using 1970's technology (stencils and spray paint) to produce these things. They aren't pretty, but seriously, they are no worse - and actually more readable - than what a lot of so-called 'professional' sign shops are putting out with many thousands of dollars in digital printing equipment.
I'm not trying to slam Dennis or anyone else. The signs are ugly and the ad, hyping the "love and sweat" is silly. But he's not giving them away, and he's not pushing them as the cheapest of the cheap, like a lot of those ads. Who knows? A guy willing to work with stencils and spray paint today, might be more willing to learn to swing a brush and actually improve his product tomorrow, than most of the vynull jockeys and versacam-pukers out there, whose only goal appears to be to produce unreadable dreck as cheaply as possible.
-------------------- "A wise man concerns himself with the truth, not with what people believe." - Aristotle
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