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Does anyone have any good experience with putting vinyl letters on concrete and having it stay put outside? The concrete is as rough as the typical street curb. Any brands or product info would help. www.prestonmccall.com
-------------------- Preston McCall 112 Rim Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 text: 5056607370 Posts: 1552 | From: Santa Fe, New Mexico | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hi Preston, I remember reading recently about a new tool that I believe 3M came out with, to be used in conjunction with a heat gun, that will allow vinyl to be installed on very rough surfaces. I'll see if I can find it, or maybe someone else can get in here.
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Hey Presto....a heat gun and a rivet brush will do it.
Use cast vinyl and heat it enough so that the rivet brush drives it down into the nooks and crannies, then a lil more heat to kill any memory. It will look just like you painted it.
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It's 3M IJ8624 with 8524 Luster Laminate. This is the new product designed to be applied to concrete or other textured surfaces. They also have an application kit that I believe you must purchase with it that contains high heat resistent rollers. It supposedly works well though I have not tried it yet.
-------------------- Gary Boros SIGNWORKS STUDIOS LLC Monroe, Connecticut, USA Posts: 264 | From: Monroe, Connecticut, USA | Registered: Dec 2007
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Over sixteen years ago, I lettered the curbs on five handicap parking spaces at our Kingdom Hall when it was built. I painted the curbs blue and put white high performance vinyl (probably Calon) on the curbs. With five congregations using our Kingdom Hall, the spaces get used daily. After countless impacts from tires since 1991, not one letter has come loose. I've been quite pleased (and surprised) with the results.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5084 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I am thinking that I need to lay down a paint base, too, but paint does not hold to cencrete well. Maybe with SW Metal latex? Add isocyanate hardener? Then add the vinyl? My vinyl guy got me some high teck vinyl and I applied it to a curb pices I sequestered for the test on 11.23. The clear and the vinyl letter are definitely not holding up in less than a month even after helping the adhesion on 65 degree concrete with a leather mallet as a helper to gain adhesion. The white high teck stuff seems to be holding, but I am dubious.
Back to paint and then vinyl?
-------------------- Preston McCall 112 Rim Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 text: 5056607370 Posts: 1552 | From: Santa Fe, New Mexico | Registered: Nov 1998
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Cut an overall mask of the design and paint into it with a good quality paint or clear coat made for concrete surfaces. Then lay down the vinyl over the painted area.
One more way to skin the kitty... Rapid
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quote:Originally posted by Gary Boros: It's 3M IJ8624 with 8524 Luster Laminate. This is the new product designed to be applied to concrete or other textured surfaces. They also have an application kit that I believe you must purchase with it that contains high heat resistent rollers. It supposedly works well though I have not tried it yet.
We played with that at the SGIA show this year. The heat gun/roller thing was pretty cool and the stuff looked painted when you were finished.
-------------------- Pat Whatley Montgomery, AL (334) 262-7446 office (334) 324-8465 cell Posts: 1306 | From: Wetumpka, AL USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Years ago at Sign Shows they used to "demo" vinyl applications on brick/concrete block/stucco and other surfaces. The substrates appeared to be uncoated.
-------------------- Rich Stebbing RichSigns Rohnert Park CA 707-795-5588 Posts: 755 | From: Rohnert Park, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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We applied the new 3M product to a roughcast vwall outside about 6 months ago, it still looks great and hasn't shifted anywhere. They have a video instruction that you can request from their website....it's very cool stuff
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I don't know if or how well isocyanates will mix with latex, Preston. But if you check with SW, I'm sure they'll have a paint that will stick to bare concrete just fine. That'll give a much better substrate for the vinyl to adhere to.
-------------------- Dale Feicke Grafix 714 East St. Mendenhall, MS 39114
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Watkins Glen race track ordered some vinyl (from Britten Media) that is made for concrete applications. It was on for a year. Then, NASCAR banned all vinyl from Pit Walls & Retaining walls. Great for us as we had to paint logos on 2,000 feet of Pit Wall! The problem was getting the "Stuff" off!! Track maintenance crew worked for days try to remove the vinyl! Here they are pressure washing the "loose" remaining vinyl that would come off. Notice the missing paint that was pulled off by the vinyl & Rudy's shoes
. We ended up painting over most of it! What a MESS!!
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You can lay a VINYL MASK onto the concrete, and heat it and press it into the nooks and crannies.
Roll a coat of paint onto the concrete area that is either CLEAR or a color similar to the gray concrete (ClearStar makes a few nice clear products that should work well http://www.clearstarcorp.com/coatings.asp ).
The reason you would use this "primer" is to sort of SEAL the edges of the mask. Whatever clear or gray that happens to seep under the mask will prevent the final color from seeping under and looking like crap.
Then paint your final color.
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