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Kelly Thorson
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Owners Risk
or
Owner's Risk

Because the word is already possesive does adding an apostrophe equate to a double negative?

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Kelly Thorson
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Dave Grundy
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one owner at risk=owner's risk

multiple owners at risk=owners' risk

no apostrophe=incorrect grammar

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Here is a link, try it. It talks about possessive nouns.

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/possessives.htm

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Darcy Reimer
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I'd put the apostrophe after owners, collectively, as per Dave's second line- and assume multiple owners of multiple items, rather than a single owner of a single item.

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Owners is plural, but not possessive until you put an apostrophe with it. An apostrophe before the 's' indicates possession by one owner. An apostrophe after the 's' indicates possession by multiple owners. "We are legion" [Smile]

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Kelly Thorson
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Well I know the rules, but the apostrophe signifies ownership. Owner already does that.
If you say Kelly's car that means the car that Kelly owns. If you say owner's car that is like saying the car that the owner owns...a tad redundant methinks. [Razz]
It just looks wrong to me. Now what - I have it approved the wrong way. [Smile]

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Kelly Thorson
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Duh - I got it - the car belongs to the owner, the risk belongs to the owner of the car. [Bash]

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Kelly Thorson
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LOL..THAT is it Kelly!!

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No you can't help me with the hammer Dave. [Razz]
It's been one of those days. [Roll Eyes]

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Kelly Thorson
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He is the owner of the risk.

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David Harding
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Kelly,
I like to word it:

Private Property
No Parking (or Parking by Permit Only...)
Violators will be Towed at Vehicle Owner's Risk and Expense.

I don't like thinking that the owner of the property can also be considered the "owner" that runs the risk and expense.
I would be the idiot to challenge that wording in court - "It said that it was the OWNER'S expense. He's the one that moved my car!"

I'd probably lose, but I'd sell him a new sign [Wink]

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Kelly Thorson
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Harding - you are a trouble maker!

The sign says Vehicle and contents left at owners risk. I think I'll leave the apostophe out and that way if they try to challenge it in court no one will know what the sign says. [Wink]

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Kelly Thorson
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Steve Purcell
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Owner is a noun, like the words actor or builder.
Adding the letter s makes the word plural - but an apostrophe is required to make it possessive, as noted above.

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How about...

Dude! If you parks here and somebody take yo' car, you walkin' home and ain't nobody gonna feel sorry for ya, ain't nobody gonna buy you a new car, ain't nobody gonna pay fo' yo' bus ticket or cab fare.

If you leaves yo' stuff in da' car and somebody takes yo' stuff, you drivin' home but you ain't got yo' stuff, an' nobody gonna feel sorry for ya' and nobody gonna buy you new stuff.

Mebbe you jus' better park somewhere else!

Note the abundance of apostrophes. Be sure to charge for them, and don't worry if they're not all in the correct places.

[ June 14, 2008, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: David Harding ]

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David Harding
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Kelly, you should listen to David

[Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor]

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Lotti Prokott
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In situations like this I do what it takes to make the sign LOOK correct, rather than trying to be grammatically correct...so

PARKING AT OWNERS RISK

That's what make my sign look nice, and everybody gets the drift. Anyone that stands there correcting signs has got serious life issues.

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OMG! Can you imagine driving into a parking lot full of David's signs?

It would take you half an hour to figure out which way was in let alone where you could park!

[Eek!]

PS: IMO it's Owner's Kelly

[ June 14, 2008, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: Jon Butterworth ]

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Kelly says "Vehicle and contents left at owners risk"

Maybe it should be:
"Vehicle's and contents' left at owners's ris'k"

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Gene Golden
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Ian Stewart-Koster
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NO Gene, it should say:

Vehicle and contents to be left here at your risk
Free apostrophe to take and apply wherever you like!

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