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HA! Stephen Actually I Just came from the Hospital from some routine Blood work and I was fasting and by that time I was a little hungry, but I wanted some good homestyle soup.. you know the healthy thing to do.. I've been a really good boy these past few months with the diet and exercise thing going really well.. I had a lot on my mind that day as well... my Brother just went through another bout of Cancer surgery, well actually he just found out today that it is back, and it's not looking so well... and I know where your coming from Donna, that stupid parking spot is "Not" the end of the world... not like what my Brother is going through, I can tell you that... Thanks all for not coming down on me too hard.. you know.. I'm really a nice guy... Really I am.
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I learned many years ago that when I lose my cool, I make a complete idiot of myself. So, I've learned to deal with inconsiderate drivers mostly by ignoring them. I trucked for 23 years & still put on 40000 miles a year, so I've seen plenty. However........... every once in a while something that can't be ignored comes along. About 20 years ago, I was heading to a meat plant in Montreal... old part of town. Everyone in Montreal parks right up to the intersection & one lovely May evening there was construction at the corner of Rachel & Hotel de Ville, & I couldn't get around the corner without running over a Renault LeCar.I had traffic completely snarled because of where this guy had parked. My co-driver & I got out to look over the situation, & wondered out loud if we could pick the wee car up, when one of the construction guys figured out what we were thinking. Great big grin & biceps like stovepipes..... he points to the front of the car for us, & the 3 of us picked the car up & sat it on the sidewalk......... actually back about 4' from the curb (which was about a foot high). I saw the look on the driver's face when he came out of the store (priceless) but have no idea how he got it down from there.
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Rodger, I learned some of the same lessons the same way you did. I was on the south side of Chicago, had to make a right turn so I flipped on my right turn signals and made a swing out to the left so I could bend 75' around the corner. Was doin' just fine until some fella behind me decided to squeeze by on my right side & finally stopped with his front fender tucked just under the side of my trailer. I stopped with my tailer wheels about a foot from his fender, set my park brakes & walked on back to see what brand of idiot this was. Turns out he was the kind that thought I ought to move. Since neither one of us could back up (traffic jammed up tight behind us both)we were still havin' a conversation when the cops showed up. They wanted to know what the problem was and the idiot proceeded to rant & rave 'bout how he knew his rights, it was all my fault & he DEMANDED I move. Cop turned to me & said "ya know, he's right.....so MOVE YER TRUCK!!" Told him I couldn't back up when he kinda smiled & said "I know that, now.....MOVE!" So I did. It only kinda rounded off the car's front corner by about 10" but the look on idiot's face was priceless. See, sometimes the nice policeman IS your friend.
Neil, I agree, there are times when a message needs to be sent. There's always the time honored method of just removing at least 2 valve cores & put 'em under their wiper blade. I say that not from any need for revenge, but simply an attempt to communicate with them because it's never polite to be rude.
-------------------- Chris Elliott 1longshot@classicnet.net cell 62084two2232 Posts: 686 | From: Scottsdale, AZ & Anthony, KS, USA | Registered: Dec 1999
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That's funny. I have a friend who's a truck driver (and a very nice guy) who did the same thing... was swinging out wide for a turn to get on the interstate and a car swerved around and pulled up on the inside.... traffic starting piling up, my buddy got out and nicely asked them to move, they refused, tired of truckers "ruling the road", he got back in tried to ease ahead, got BACK out and nicely told them he was about to go and was not going to be able to avoid hitting their car.... they still wouldn't move.
So... he removed a quarterpanel as he pulled his trailer across their front fender.... Said he got onto the interstate, never looked back and never heard from them again.
He's been an OTR trucker for many years, so he's seen idiocy on the road in about every form that exists....
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I think it's quite sad that you felt you had to resort to something childish. Was it really such a big deal to have to park somewhere else? Sure it's frustrating but why lower yourself because of it. I sure hope I never annoy you.
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You know Ann.. did you read all the responses on here? Childish? I guess it is a little.. but do you know what would be childish? Giving him a good smack upside the head... But I would "Never" ever do anything like that...I'm a pretty big boy too..and can Honestly say I have "Never" hit anyone in anger..in all my Adult life or even in my teen years. I was one of those Kids who got bullied as a child, you know the ones, the little guys...the one who could'nt defend themselves. I looked at this guy as a Big Bully, who just Bullied himself into my Parking spot.. and you know what they say about bully's... they will keep on doing it until someone confronts them, I confronted him, at first in a civilized manner, asking him politely did he realize he took my spot right out from under me? He said He don't care..and I'm not moving and I don't have to move and all that. Another thing to think about, and I've thought about this a lot over the weekend, I probably saved him from getting a punch in the face down the road, and probably save someone from getting sued.. because next time he goes to do domething like that, he might think twice.. because he might not get someone like me next time....
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I think Neil showed good restraint, could have been worse. I don't think as Ray suggested keying a car is ever a good way to handle this. That is way out of line and criminal. (Actually, from what I have heard, Ray wouldn't need to resort to this but grace him with his presence
Revenge being a male trait? A lot of woman show their skills for more important confrontations, especially in failed relationships.
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One of the most abused laws is the handicap parking spaces. A lot of people think that all they need is a handicap license plate or sticker on the car and that car is legal no matter who is driving.
Well a friend of mine who was in handicapped job placement and knew all the handicap laws told me that if an able bodied driver is driving a handicapped person somewhere, they are required to drop that person off at the curb or store front and park in a regular spot. Handicap parking is reserved for when the handicapped person is the driver.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5400 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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I was doing delivery about 12 years ago before I got into signs and I was delivering something, parking in an illegal spot (didn't know it was illegal) but this was in Cambridge , Mass and anyone who knows that area knows that it's illegal to park ANYWHERE there. So I go run in to do my delivery and no sooner does a tow truck have my car hooked up.
That FAST!
I come running out like "hey what are you doing"? and he's all "you're parked illegally, blah, blah" so I tell him if he doesn't unhook my car he's going to get smashed in the mouth (sorry it's a Boston thing) So, he looks at me crazy and jumps in his car. I proceed to the levers and find the one that lets the car down, I let it down and roll over the chains....Off into the rest of my adventurous day, haha.
(I lost my job that day, and got hired back the next day) then I quit to start lettering windshields and storefronts.
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I had a guy come in one time and wanted to order Handicapped parking sticker for his vehicle, you know the kind they put in their windshield.. anyway I asked him for the proper Documentation, and he said "I'm glad to hear that, because he was just a Government officer checking us out.. because it is illegal for us to sell them to joe Public. I don't believe we can issue them anyway..does'nt the government issue them directly?
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This thread simply shows the difference between men and women. Men think differently than women - thank God! I think it's very condecending that women think of us as childish or some other negative thought. We're hard wired to be this way just aw they are hard wired for caring and nurturing. When it comes time to fight or go to war we don't send people who are "caring and sensitive". I'm not being political, just stating a psychological fact. We do show restraint but we also have a deep seated need not to let someone push us around or take advantage of us. Sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do.
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I used to have a notepad that was made up to look like a parking ticket. So when something would happen to me, I'd leave the "ticket" under the wiper.
It had all sorts of check boxes, and of course all the "formal" info like license # etc. The boxes were like dumb a$$, idiot, jacka$$ etc and you checked them off.
Should make some of those up...
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Ricky, that is one of the most sexist comments I have ever heard.
I too am ashamed of this thread, I was refraining from posting on it for hopes that it would fade off the page, but your comment was totally out of line.
I totally believe in holding people accountable for their actions. But to damage a vehicle over a measly parking space? That is very childish, whether a man or woman does it. The illegally parked cars that got hit by trucks got what they deserved.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote:We do show restraint but we also have a deep seated need not to let someone push us around or take advantage of us. Sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do.
I agree with that statement Ricky.... Although I think some of them are funny, shows like "Everyone Loves Raymond" and "King of Queens", etc.... constantly put the male role as one of idiot, bumbling clumsy dope that NEEDS to be guided by a stronger, smarter female type because they're too retarded to function on their own.... which I think does a disservice to young males growing up.
We ARE male - hear us ROAR!!
Nikki - I DO like the fake ticket idea...that's a very humorous response which probably gives the car's owner a momentary anxiety rush till he picks it up and discovers he's being maligned as a nitwit. Good one there.
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This post isn't meant to single anyone out. It's just an overall observation.
Go back to when your kids were young and you were teaching them right from wrong.
Now this kid grows up big enough to pound on you if he so chooses. A parent does NOT want that bigger tougher older child to go there! You have to get a handle on behaviour long before that possibility.
Fast forward to adulthood of that disobedient child that was never disciplined (or whatever the case may be for his ailment). Sounds like the parking lot guy. You're dealing with someone that's either rebelling life or is messed up. He doesn't care.
You can bet his life will continue to be difficult because of his own actions he has to own. He will have bad or few friends. Trust me, he can't be in a good place. You get what you give.
If it came to a self defence situation, you have every right to protect yourself. But if you pull a fast one like he's just done to you, how do you expect things to turn around? Do you think he'll cower down that very day, and do the right thing by mankind?
I doubt it. He's conditioned himself to see that the world has wronged HIM. He doesn't own what's become of him. He's blaming YOU and anyone in his path.
'Getting him' will simply show him that's what one does when you wrong someone. And he gets that because it's already the world he lives in. He may even snicker at the vaseline and think "good one, I'll have to use that!"
Choosing to live in that world is a choice. What goes around does indeed eventually come around. Man or woman, adult or child. We all know better. And I know all too well being bad is more fun. But ultimately you have to do what's right living in this adult world that we do.
The parking lot guy acted like a disobedient child, so treat him like one. How would you parent that child? Get him back? Or attempt to teach?
I'm as human as the next person. And I also don't like being disrespected. But for me personally to teach that guy a lesson could get me beaten up. I may say something depending what the pradicament was. I often make comments to others disrespecting me if that happens. But my comments are geared to make them THINK about their actions, for I know I can't STOP them.
It's all we really can do.
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quote:You can bet his life will continue to be difficult because of his own actions he has to own
His life won't be difficult if nobody stands up to him.....he'll sail right through it while he continues to abuse people.
I don't see anything wrong with what Neil did, it was non-violent, it didn't harm property....yet it sent a message....and THAT is what the guy needs...and if it makes his life difficult, well, he brought that difficulty upon himself....and that's where the "what goes around comes around comes into play."
Men are biologically, emotionally, and cognitively hard wired differently than women....it's a fact of nature, as Ricky states. It's not sexist...it's the way it is....and women should not expect men to be their girlfriends.
Most men are not into being challenged and retreating, nor being victimized unless they are older, feebler, or can clearly see the odds are stacked against them....
If we predominantly were, then the aberrant minority of psychopaths would easily wreak havoc and chaos would rule the day.
Not to say we ALWAYS have to take an aggressive approach - circumstances can dictate the method of response, and if a verbal confrontation will elicit an understanding and apology from the offender - great! But in Neils case, he describes the guy as not responding to his rightful objections.
I never taught my kids to be "violent"....but I did tell my son if someone physically abuses him at school, bullies him, whatever...then he had the right to protect himself and I expected him to lay waste to the offender.
He's a really mellow, good natured and social kid....and was very well-liked in school.
I was very proud of him when he was playing Senior High Basketball at a high school game against a team that was notorious for trash talking, pinching, elbowing, tripping kids on purpose etc.... which was condoned and encouraged by this team's coach....
My son was standing in front of this particularly notorious imbecile while he was taking the ball from out-of-bounds.
My son had his hands up as is expected trying to block his inbound throw....when the kid from the opposing team whips quickly moves the ball across and purposely nails my son in his nose not unlike a punch to the nose...and then, as my son is stunned, nose bleeding and trying to see if his nose is broken...the kid throws the ball in to his team-mate and takes off down the court...
My son, the non-violent, easy going, never do anything to anyone type of kid, sees his nose bleeding and immediately chases the kid down and shoves him as hard as he can knocking him on his @ss.
I cheered and hollered "way to go Justin!"....because at that instance, it was the right thing to do.
The ref called a foul on both of them....and the coach pulled my son off the court because he knew he'd probably go after him....
I'm not into being victimized when people deliberately do something to invade your physical or space or do something like what happened to Neil.
Verbal confrontation is different and manageable for me.... and if it's a customer I'd take a different tact....and feel I can easily diffuse someone like that.
But having someone 'pimping' me over is another animal.
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I guess you did save him a punch in the mouth. I'm not trying to cause any offence and I would never agree with anyone resorting to violence. My Dad always said to walk away from things. I would have spoken to the guy the same way you did then left it there. It may seem sweet to serve up some revenge but a guy like that could end up getting angry and taking it out on someone close to him. There are lots of a-holes in this world you just have to hope you don't cross paths with them too often.
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There are A-holes in the world? OMG... say it isn't so! My view of humanity has just been crushed.
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My comment was totally out of line? For stating that men are hard-wired (predisposed) to a certain mindset? You need to get out more Chris. If stating that is sexist them I guess Masters & Johnson are pervs for their observations.
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Which reminds me of a story, whenever I hear so see the word jackass...
We were at the ISA show in 05 in Vegas. Evan was 8 months old and we decided to take the Dam Dam Tour (Vegas Vacation).
When the tour was over, we hit the snack hut, which was a bit busy. We had one of those tiny collapsible strollers, and went in. I didn't want anyone to trip on the stroller, so I went around the corner of the line, to the inside and waited for Paul. I had Evan in my arms, but was getting nervous that SOMEHOW someone was going to trip on the stroller. I told Paul I was going to wait outside, but he said that no one could possibly trip on it and to wait.
No one, except the 50 something year old jackass who did. He was bumbling around with his icecream, tripped on one of those barrier things with the ropes, tripped backwards into the corner where the stroller was and fell down. EVERYONE SAW IT!
He stood up and yelled at me for RUNNING INTO HIM WITH THE STROLLER!!!! I wan't even moving! Evan started to cry and I got ****ed. I said, NO, YOU TRIPPED ON YOUR OWN FEET AND RAN INTO ME! DON'T YELL AT MY CHILD!!
He made a scene to cover up his own stupid actions, and was walking out. I was trying to settle Evan down and was mumbling to myself about the guy being a jackass when his son, who was in his late 20's was leaving, brushed into me and told ME that there was no need for me to be calling names and to APOLOGIZE TO HIS FATHER!!!!!!
WHAT THE F?????
I told him to mind his own business and that it had nothing to do with him, but he insisted that I apologize for the whole incident.
He kept pushing and by this time, Paul was back by me and said "What are you hassling her for?" (the kid didn't know I was with Paul) "Go mind your own business. Everyone saw the man trip on his own feet."
The son left, but then had to "run to daddy" and tell him the whole story.
I was fuming...still am as I type. People came up to me after and said, "You weren't even NEAR that guy. What a JACKASS!!!!"
Honestly, I felt like punching the guy and calling him every name in the book. I didn't do anything wrong and here, to cover his own tracks for having an "accident" which is what it was, needed to find the nearest target to blame.
So every time we go over Hoover Dam, I ask if any jackasses in the car want ice cream...Paul is getting tired of hearing that!
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Chris, you're being too hard on Ricky. It is a fact that women's brains are wired different from men. It's no different than the fact that women have those lovely curves than men don't, and we have things hanging where women don't. Example, a woman will awaken before a man almost every time to the sound of a baby crying. Women's brains are wired to pick it up almost instantly. There are lots of examples like this and I really don't think Ricky was trying to be sexist.
OMG... I defended Ricky.
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I agree with Ricky. I don't think he said anything out of line.
(With the exception of the spelling of condescending!!!)
It is good that men think differently than women. Honestly, if my husband was like most women, I would have ditched him a long time ago.
Now, they WAY they approach things is definitely different.
My dad, well, let's say, is more redneck than most y'all from the south...in EVERY direction imaginable. I am completely ashamed of some of the things he has done because someone "ticked" him off.
My husband, however, Mr. "black & white", "right is right and wrong is wrong", the biggest gear-head, auto obsessed person I have EVER met, will hold his tongue and steam inside and vent before he would take action.
I have always been able to understand the "male mind" far easier than the "female mind." I would rather work with men than women. For 10 years, I worked in shops with 95% of the staff being men. My last job before going on my own, I was terrified to begin the first day because I was going to be working with women. Fortunately, my boss thought the same as me and we got along great...the other girls...not so much.
Women wage their own kind of revenge...not physical like men do, but emotional, and social-holding grudges, shutting people out for years because of a slight, where as a guy will knock the crap out of another guy and then they'll go have beers!
I just spent a Sunday doing some scrapbooking with a women's Jaycees Group. They all burst out singing some lame song from "The Sound of Music"-never have seen it, probably never will, don't really care to.
I asked "What the hell is that??" And they're all like "what??? you've never seen the Sound of Music???" Like I was born with three eyes or something. Then they went off on all these "great" Broadway musicals I should see...yadydydydya
Let me talk cars and racing and I am fine...no guys singing. Go ahead crucify me...
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Kissy, you know I luv ya but, come on. Sexist? We're talking about Ricky here. The guy oil's up to work out. And you know that what he said was purty much true. Men have to "have the last word" when it comes to other men.(for the most part). But I disagree with women don't. He's never met my wife.
And Donna..... "The parking lot guy acted like a disobedient child, so treat him like one. How would you parent that child? Get him back? Or attempt to teach?"
Your a time out kinda gal huh.
If a child gets to the point of acting like that, then the parent has not done the child justice to start with.
You do not have to beat a man (or a child) to put them in there place. I have spanked my daughter a handful of times over her 13 years. Very few. But she knows that when I speak in a tone, she needs to shape up. And she does.
This guy must not have had that upbringing. For if he had. He would not have done what he did to begin with.
It's called respect for others.
Some people don't have it. And day after day of dealing with it...stores, restaurants, supply houses... one can grow tired of it.
What Neil did was funny as hell. He could have been at a boiling point and stomped a mudhole in the guys a$$. But he didn't. He poked a little fun at a jacka$$. No harm, no foul.
Sugar coating this wicked world we live in is going to come back to haunt you. It will. You can turn the other cheek for so long and then you or your family will be on the news. Will you be forgiving then? I think not. If so, bless you.
To put it in perspective. They did not believe in time outs since the beginning of time until the past few decades.
Wasn't as many a$$holes during that time frame. was there?
Adults are harder to teach...but they can be taught.
I for one can not believe that a woman of your stature would not stand up for yourself in the same situation as described by Neil. I pictured you stronger than that. And I do not mean in a "I am woman, hear me roar" way. I mean a self confident woman.
Well then..who wants cake? (footlose reference for the young people)
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You know just before Christmas I guy in a parking lot was backing out his vehicle, He cliped the front bumper of my wifes van, put some minor scrapes into it... he just kept driving away... I was'nt there, neither was my wife, but believe it or not a freind saw this happen, and took his License Plate number... I went to the police and asked them for the persons name, I told them why, they asked if I wanted to press charges, I said no, it was probably an accident and I'd like to give the guy a "Chance". I phoned him up and explained what happened, I asked him if he was at the Mall parking lot, he said yes, I asked him if he remembers being parked next to a Van with a Large Tiger on the side, he said Yes, I then asked him did he realize that he hit the Van,, he said "No" . And he was somewhat taken aback about it. So I asked him to go outside and have a look at his left fender because there should be black paint on it from our Van. He did go out side and when He came back he said "Honestly if you never phoned I would have blamed my wife on that", all the while laughing about it.. he apologized and thanked me for being so good about it. No Harm done at all. it was only about $500 damage and he paid without going through his insurance... "That is the Kind of person I am".. I always give the benefit of the Doubt first. Some would fly off the handle and accuse him of hit and run.. I never for a moment thought that's what he did. For the most part I believe that 99.9% of the people are good.
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We're talking about Ricky here. The guy oil's up to work out. And you know that what he said was purty much true. Men have to "have the last word" when it comes to other men.(for the most part). But I disagree with women don't. He's never met my wife. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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