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Help! I need to make a 2-sided sign (same both sides) approx. 18 inches square. The sign will be fitted with threaded inserts for eye-bolts for hanging purposes. It could be two signs adhered back to back. The sign will be entirely sealed and hand painted. The end user is a craft fair gypsy that seems to hit them all. This sign will hang above people's heads at the front of the booth, so needs to be fairly light weight, yet durable. It will be in scorching sun, driving rain, some snow and tossed into the back of a camper between fairs.
I have researched extira, trupan, and redwood. I am leaning towards either of the last two. What would YOU make this sign out of? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
-------------------- Rose Davidson Sleeper Woods Design Honoring Tradition with Technology Lakeport, CA 95435 Posts: 104 | From: Lake County, California | Registered: Nov 2005
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Thanks for the quick reply Graham. ( My father-in-law's name is Graemes, so am partial to it.)
I instantly did a search on dibond. I really hadn't considered aluminum. One result said that it could be brittle.... I guess I could make a carry pouch for it for them. Wouldn't the paint scratch off easily? I guess I am also envisioning something thicker... or maybe layering... what would be used to glue the layers together? Gorilla Glue?
Any other suggestions????
-------------------- Rose Davidson Sleeper Woods Design Honoring Tradition with Technology Lakeport, CA 95435 Posts: 104 | From: Lake County, California | Registered: Nov 2005
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Rose, although the substrate may be aluminum it has a baked on finish. The finished substrate comes in colors so all you have to do is prep it just like prepping any painted finish, so in fact the paint you will use won't scratch off easily. For spraying you would have to scuff it lightly for the paint to bite.
I've done all kinds of vehicles, some were steel some aluminum, all in all what both had in common were they all were painted before my work was applied which in reality made no difference what they were made from.
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Joey, for that clarification. I really appreciate it. I am planning on using One Shot paint...
So, has anybody glued Dibond to Dibond?
I plan on cutting the sign blank out with a 2 flute spiral bit and do lots of v-bit carving. Should I still be thinking about Dibond? Maybe use it as the core and have something like trupan attached to either side?
Am entertaining all ideas.....and thanks all!
-------------------- Rose Davidson Sleeper Woods Design Honoring Tradition with Technology Lakeport, CA 95435 Posts: 104 | From: Lake County, California | Registered: Nov 2005
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Dibond would be the way to go. If you want a little more dimension to the sign, make up an interior frame from 1"x3"'s and glue the dibond panels to it. Gorilla Glue works just fine, just dampen the Dibond before clamping, and put the glue on the wood. MUR
-------------------- Murray MacDonald OldTime Signs 529 Third Ave S Kenora, ON. P9N 1Y3 oldtimesigns@gokenora.com Posts: 781 | From: Kenora, ON | Registered: Jan 2003
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Whoops, sorry Rose, I didn't note the bit about V-bit carving. Dibond is too thin. For a sign like that I would laminate some white pine, inch and a half approx., and have at it. If it's going to get banged around, make up a sleeve of coro to slide it into for transport. MUR
-------------------- Murray MacDonald OldTime Signs 529 Third Ave S Kenora, ON. P9N 1Y3 oldtimesigns@gokenora.com Posts: 781 | From: Kenora, ON | Registered: Jan 2003
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Rose, I agree with Murray, but I don't know about availability of Eastern White Pine where you are. However........... you should be able to get Sugar Pine, which grows in Northern California & is very similar. For many carvers, it's the wood of choice - relatively light & holds detail very well. TR
-------------------- Rodger MacMunn T.R. MacMunn & Sons C.P.207, Sharbot Lake, ON 613-279-1230 trmac@frontenac.net Posts: 475 | From: Sharbot Lake, Ontario | Registered: Nov 2003
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Ah, Rose. Didn't realize you were planning on V-carving it - Dibond is too thin (3mm) Sounds like Murray/Rodger's suggestion might be your best bet.
My only other thought might be Celtec PVC?
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Silly me to forget to mention the v-carving until my second post! *I* knew I was gonna carve it up... just didn't say it.
Now I'm off to research Celtec PVC....
guys!
-------------------- Rose Davidson Sleeper Woods Design Honoring Tradition with Technology Lakeport, CA 95435 Posts: 104 | From: Lake County, California | Registered: Nov 2005
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If you make a frame out of 1x1 aluminum square tube you can bolt the eye bolts to that and use vhb tape to hold the panels onto it. VHB is very strong but you could use countersunk rivets in the corners too if you wanted.
If it's..."If you have to ask, you can't afford it".... The answer's Cedar, Redwood, Pine, Whatever... Remember... we are talking about an 18"x18" sign here.
Anything wider than 2" would seem overkill. Just Me??
Wide open kiddo....budget, budget, budget!
18" square carved should demand a hefty shop rate. Don't spend 8 hours carving & designing & under bid the project.
Carved? Glued? Gold Leaf? Mounting? 18"x18"
Prepare the customer for the $1000.00 vs $75.00 quote difference from you to "quickfellasigns". (we type 80 words in a minute & type signs in an hour.)
Good luck Rose.
Thanks for all the info on the first post! Oh, that's right, I'm carving this & it has to be gold fitted with a peacock feathers imported from northern Mangolia...& last 75 years hanging freely amongst rowdy teenagers & an occasional crocodile. & oh... It has to be interchangeable.
Just kidding Rose!
Keep postin' We love ya!
-------------------- Michael R. Bendel Bendel Sign Co,. Inc. Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 913 | From: Sauk Rapids, MN | Registered: Jul 2005
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