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nope, no time for soapbox....time to kill. time to start dragging idiots to the brick wall and shooting. Time to stop trial lawyers from saying everyone has a mental problem and they need help. This guy took care of the problem its too bad others had to go before he did, so sad. Its time to take criminals straight to the death chamber no waiting no appeals. How in the hell could an attorney be assigned someone s case that was so hanous but was their to "protect their rights.....they HAVE NO RIGHTS.
I have no idea what the hell is wrong with this world we live in. Lack of punishment? Lack of authority? No respect for life, or others' lives for that matter. No compassion. If life is that bad kill yourself and leave others alone.
Montgomery at this moment is the worse I have ever seen. Every night a shoot out. kids cant go out and ride around on weekends like we once did. Kids are attacking teachers. When i was in school we feared teachers. we feared authority. I dont understand. Maybe its the upbringing. the medicines we are on our food with all the prservatives. We have medicines that come out and are snatched off the counters 6 months later because they cause you to be stupid and do stupid stuff. I just dont know when it will end.
Pardon me while I go make a coroplast sign that says the end is near.
-------------------- You ever notice how easily accessible people are when they are requiring your services but once they get invoice you can't reach them anymore
I say the drug culture and break-down of the family/core values is really the problem.
In this case....another reason why we need to close our borders NOW.
quote:Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.
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We took God out of our schools, then we took God out of our homes, and now we cant find God in our hearts.
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your soul, for this is the greatest commandment, and the second, Love your neighbor as yourself.
Do that, and see what can happen!!
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Joe Golden, I agree with you wholeheartedly, that and the fact that every child is practically prescribed drugs just for being the children they are. Parenthood has been replaced with government laws without us voting on issues which effect us as parents. Yes they have taken God from us in schools as well as our own court houses and yet they put their hand on the bible to get sworn in, now that my friend is ironic.
Todd, the drug culture starts with government agencies and their tendencies to transform our children into zombies while medicating the elders. They have also taken the parenting out of the parents. Actually at times I feel as if you are trying to run a gauntlet as if whatever you say is fact but the fact is in order for anyone to understand, they must face the actual problems.
Career politicians are just like career voters, they never change their course.
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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I was just thinking that also Steve!....you are complaining about the drugs but when you allow everyone to carry weapons WOW! Thank GOD it is difficult here in Canada to get a weapon the drug problem is bad enough!
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Steve, I've noticed that you are very understanding and flexible regarding the rules of the road at times like these. I guess that's why we elected you mayor.
I'm pretty active on a couple of political blogs, both left and right.
I've noticed today (though some of us have been affected by this horror almost to the point of becoming physically ill) that most of us, in our postings, were able to, for the moment at least, put aside our differences long enough to let the initial shock and anger subside somewhat, instead of wading in with inflamitory comments.
The victims in VA, young adults, kids really, had been assured that they were in a safe place. They certainly did not create the factors that led to this atrocity. They were truly without fault.
And their memory will not be well served by reflexive political sniping or posturing on our part.
Some here know where I stand vis-a-vis politcs, 2nd Ammendment, etc.. I'm definately not shy about my stand on such matters.
But I honestly feel that this is not the time nor the place to air differences, be they legitimate or not. It won't help. Nothing will help.
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The ten commandments mean something but, The Sermon on the Mount, means much more.
Google That!
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Blessed is he who hungers and thirsts for righteousness.
There was a time when the Beatittudes, as well as the Sermon on the Mount were taught and explained to every child in public school.
Funny, I am working on a National Day of Prayer banner for one of our local churches here,
Hope, Faith and love, but the greatest of these is Love......
If anyone ever wants to know why I believe that, email me sometime, I will be more the happy to share with anyone.
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folks we reap what we sow, make it easy to get a gun and see what happens. I am sorry for your loss America but isn't it time you took the "in God we trust" off your currency since He is banned from pretty much everywhere else in your lives.
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our social security numbers may be American... maybe our home address too... & many will pledge heart and soul to this great country... but the socializing of 300 million people to live under one flag & one leader... ends up in laws, policies, & practices that don't reflect the wishes of every American. He can not really be banned from the lives of others.
quote:olks we reap what we sow, make it easy to get a gun and see what happens
Miles - I am 46 years old. I have been around guns my entire life, and own several now for target sport, personal protection, and hunting.
My dad always owned guns, his dad always owned guns, and on and on.
None of us throughout the generations have felt compelled to use them in ways other than what is legally acceptable.
I know scores of people that own guns and have never misused them. I know of no one personally that has ever misused a firearm....there is an infinitesimal fraction of a percent of a population of 300 million that may use an illegally or [more rarely] legally obtained obtained gun for ill intent.
Now tell me again, why I shouldn't be allowed to own a gun and why I don't have a right to protect my family should I be required to do so?
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You might find this enlightening:
Cause of Death/Age Range All Ages Total Number of Deaths 97,900
Motor Vehicle 43,354 Unspecified nontransport accid'ts 17,437 Falls 13,322 Poisoning and Noxious Subst's 12,757 Drowning 3,842 Exposure to Smoke, Fire, Flames 3,377 Other Land Transport Accidents 1,492 Complications of Med/Surg Care 3,059 Accidental Discharge of Firearms 776
By the logic of the anti-gun establishment, we should ban automobiles, pharmaceuticals, swimming pools, doctors, and not allow people to eat nor walk. Accident prone idiots should be forced to stay at home and be confined to straight jackets.
Gun related death should be our least (although not disregarded) concern.
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Interesting statistics, Todd. Things like the VT tragedy will grab all of the news, naturally, but we hardly ever hear about 43,000+ Americans dying on our streets and highways every year. Thats roughly 827 per week, or 118 per day. About 40% of the accidents and deaths are caused by drunk drivers. Murder? Maybe...
Back on topic and strictly speaking for myself, in a situation like yesterday, don't give me a Bible or pray for me or tell me about God. Give me a gun so that I may defend my life and the lives of those around me.
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Miles & Doug, here's a little history lesson for you.
Gun History:
Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history. Something to think about...
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: approximately 56 million.
Another thing so you realize things aren't as black and white as you see them. We own 11 acres of land in a small po-dunk town in Ohio. You know about 9-1-1 here in the States, right? If not it's an emergency telephone service. Anyway where we live 9-1-1 should really be called "Dial a Prayer".
When a couple of kids crash their Jeep into the electric pole a 1/4 mile down the road and the electric company repairmen arrive before the ambulance and police, I'd say there is a problem with this system. Now is this the government system that is to protect my family? That's what these politicians would have you believe and they obviously have convinced you, how sad.
These gun control politicians don't want to just make it harder to buy guns they want to ban, confiscate and outlaw them. Maybe someday you'll educate yourself about what's really going on and not be afraid of guns but of people who don't want to allow you the right to properly defend your family and self.
As Charlton Heston said about his right to bear arms "from my cold dead hands".....I personally have no intentions of waiting around for the local police to come to our rescue a 1/2 hour later. I'll protect my family and property myself but thank you very much for your concern though!
In this world we live in today of terrorism and maniacs, how people still think like this is really beyond any reality!
quote:Originally posted by Miles Cullinane: Joe, Your thoughts are expressing mine.
folks we reap what we sow, make it easy to get a gun and see what happens. I am sorry for your loss America but isn't it time you took the "in God we trust" off your currency since He is banned from pretty much everywhere else in your lives.
Miles, There's never been a more true statement; "we reap what we sow". As I recall, you said about the same thing right after 911.....
Did those innocent kids reap what they sowed? Did it occur to you that sometimes people even reap what they DO NOT sow? Does your country have a handle on gun crimes?
I wish a couple of those law abiding college students had been armed. Might have saved a couple of dozen lives at least. If America banned guns...what makes you think we could keep them out of the hands of criminals such as this...when we can't even keep drugs and illegal aliens from crossing our borders? What we need is to keep the "IN God We Trust" on our coins, and reinstate Him in a few other places....like our courts......
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We all need self policing and awareness of all the sh(# that's going on around us. Conciousness is not a luxury. There happens to be a major amount of dipsh(#s everywhere you look and that is from top to bottom. This is the hyper world as predicted by the proficies of many unhappy souls and some who are in the know. It does not hurt to protect a family with every means possible. Guns are a real deal and a great persuader. I love my personal space and the peace that goes with it. Don't screw wid da crazyman.......!
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-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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Joe... sorry I'm I don't love Mac's ...that must be the source of this conflict right?
I didn't read you post... first half looks like basic internet regurgitation... I skimmed quick enough to see something about how black & white I see things? bullcrap, you don't know me, & you damn sure don't know how I see things. I didn't go on record with ANY beliefs here... so if 33 deaths of innocent Americans makes you want to find fellow sign makers to attack... find someone else!!
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Doug Allan, RELAX fellow sign maker! I meant Doug Downey NOT YOU. My apologizes for the misunderstanding. This goes way beyond the games of Mac vs PC.
I didn't think I was attacking anyone just trying to enlighten a few that appear to want the rights of law abiding citizens taken away to make their self feel safer.
Doug A. I have no conflict with you and definitely would not carry this over from some silly Mac vs PC debate. BTW....I appreciated your kind words about my post on the "Tragedy at VT" topic.
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oops... I hate having to say I'm sorry... but I jumped to a wrong conclusion... sorry!
I'd edit out my defensive comments above... but that could just add more confusion, so I'll settle for retracting them here ...and to edit that number of innocent lives to 32)
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Aha! Looks good on you Doug. Remember the time I jumped to the wrong conclusion over something that you posted on the BB? I still recall the initial rage and indignity I first felt. It felt soooo good to write you a nasty email and fire it off.
Then I reread the post and realised I had made a horrible mistake. I had to pickup the phone and say "I'm sorry." I suspect we've all found ourselves in the same position.
I've never met Bruce, but I am troubled by the first line in his post. His answer is to take action and eliminate the enemy. How often have I heard "Kill them all and let God sort them out!"
Nothing personal Bruce. There are many in our own Community that share your opinion. Sometimes the enemy is different, but the treatment is the same. Here's the question? Is there any possibility this nut was thinking the same thing?
Posts like this are usually deleted. I hate to see this forum used as a tool to hurt or humiliate anyone. We want all our guests to leave here feeling better than when you arrived.
I'm hoping we use this as an opportunity to take a close look at how we treat each other when we are angry. Revenge and violence are so embedded in our lives. We love those movies where Bruce Wills and Clint Eastwood take out dozens, sometimes thousands, of bad guys single handed. It's cool to see the bully destroyed.
I really don't think there is anything that would have prevented this tragedy. I'm sure many of us have found ourselves in a rage at times. In Canada and many other countries, we do not have easy access to guns, especially handguns and assault weapons. I'm much more concerned about the danger such a deadly weapon could pose when I, or another in the Family are at our worse. In our house we still have to insert the bullets manually.
I sat glued to CNN yesterday. Why? What is us that drives this obsession with wrecks? I hate to say it! Everyone complains about the nasty posts and e-mails that sometimes happen here in Letterville, yet those posts get all the action. Why is it so much more fun to fight then invest our time here helping each other? It's something we have to ask ourselves.
Is there something in all of this that we can learn and eliminate some of our own wrecks?
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-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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It is a truly horrific thing that happened yesterday and I pray for the families of those that have been touched by this event. But, the shooting itself should come as no surprise.
The truth of the matter, freedom isn't free and, sooner or later, someone has to pay the price. We should have learned this by the events of years past, but we're all too busy pointing the finger of blame everywhere except where it should be.
IMHO, the problem is not guns, politics or religious beliefs and all the laws ever passed don’t prevent crime. So, I think it’s time for us to take a look in the mirror and ask “where did we go wrong?” What happened to accountability for our own actions?
“We the people” need to be held responsible for our own actions. When we break the law, we need to be punished. When our public figures (priests, politicians, athletes, parent, actors, etc.) don’t accept responsibility for their own actions and are able to assign blame peer pressure, drugs, alcohol or medicated state, we are setting a president where our youth can do no wrong.
I could go into a long rant about broken families, single parents, latchkey kids, winners, losers, and responsibility. However, I would rather spend the time to make myself and my friends aware of the events happening around me, so I can better prepare myself for the next time, because it's not a question of "if" it happens again
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good question Steve. I think learning how to discuss sensitive issues with a proactive & genuine intention of hearing each other & being open to new ideas is what all people need to help adapt to a changing world.
Here is an excerpt from one of my posts on another board. (I hope this comes across as the plea for sensible dialog from all points of view that I intended it to be... & NOT as some subtle attempt to ram my views into the limelight)
quote: Gun Control
...wow, 2 small words, & I'll bet the best of friends here could start berating the beliefs of each other over them... if it ain't already happening...
what do those 2 words mean? ...is there only one clear, concise & permenant definition? ...or is it a concept whoose definition is ambigious & in constant flux?
I personally don't think I know what it means if there is a specific legislation waiting for a vote on a national level... but I don't think that is the case, so it becomes a catch word for folks on either side of various gun related debates to fear the worst & trump up the meaning into a flashpoint for reactionary defensiveness.
Does it mean no guns will be legally available to regular citizens ever? I don't think so, but it appears the "concept" does not get as much thoughtful discussion because of a fear that it would lead to that.
I think to some, it means assault weapons would be further from reach for the average citizen, while the right to bear arms is still maintained for less agressive weapons.
I think constant attention to the degradation of our society requires us to find new solutions to new problems & to look at correcting the source of society's problems as well as defending the consequences of society's problems. Do I think that is easy? ... or that I have the answers? ....of course not, but rigid aggressive posturing behind polarized camps of generalized thought is not as valuable as open minded dialog.
quote: VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE State quashed bill allowing handguns on campuses College spokesman celebrated 2006 defeat because it would help make campus safe
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Do I think it could have helped? If an armed student or faculty member had a shot, sure it may have at least limited the numbers of deaths. Also, had the assailant understood that a certain percentage of the people he went to kill may have been armed as he was, he might not had been so quick to implement his premeditated plan.
I think there is at least a good chance it could have made a difference, if even a small one.
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First, let me explain myself a little. Before we were married Dora told me that she did not like having guns around. I sold 3 rifles and 7 handguns for a total of $50.00 to get rid of them for her. I haven't owned a gun since.
Even when I had the guns, I never shot anyone, and never wanted to, because they taught me in Sunday School that that was beyond wrong.
I believe we should keep God on our money and in every other aspect of our lives.
I said all that to say this... I wholeheartedly believe that if the other students(that were trained and familiar with weapons) had been armed, the deaths would have certainly been fewer, if any at all.
Someone that knew what they were doing could have stopped the guy without killing him. Then he could have been properly punished for what he had done.
If he had realised that possibility, maybe he would have reconsidered.
-------------------- Don Hulsey Strokes by DON signs Utica, KY 270-275-9552 sbdsigns@aol.com
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I'm admittedly late on this one, just hearing about the details in the last hour.
Anyone wanna look into the future with me.
Families will grieve. VT students will mourn the loss and debate their own safety. The media will bleed this for all it's worth, just like Anna Nicole, and drag every psychologist, security guard and guidance counselor who ever drove by a university or college dorm in for "expert commentary" until it's so confused we forget why it happened in the first place...or some other story comes along that is gonna be more dramatic and score higher ratings.
Why did this happen?
Maybe he wanted his "15 minutes". Maybe he figured it would make him the "you tube" top video" of the day. Maybe his parents read Dr. Spock's book backwards, or worse yet, as it was written.
3 months from now, the tragic headline of the day will hit, the media will move on to that one. After a few more tragedies, Joe Average isn't gonna remember it until someone reminds him of it because he's still too involved with making his daily bread and debating gun control instead of wondering where his own kids are and who their with.
So lets just do the dance again. Let's look for the accomplice of a lone gunman, someone who we can point a finger at and demand they be brought to justice because the guy who pulled the trigger on himself can't be tried posthumously. Lets read his plays and reach divine insight into his twisted reasoning, declare him a neo-fascist semi ultra fill-in-the-blank psycho, all the while burying the simple truth that he made the consciuos decision to kill people one day for no damn good reason at all. Let's parade his middle name like Mark David, John Wilkes and Lee Harvey until his name becomes synonomous with mass murder and reaches the status of cult hero to the next kid who's parents were politically correct and didn't discipline him because, when dad spanked him at age 5, the guidance counselor in kindergarten filed a restraining order and screwed him up for life.
Let's throw lots of other things at this like gun control, firearm registration, campus security, the price of tuition, immigration laws and the whole shebang. Why not? It's become our defense mechanism that hides us from the simple truth.
Maybe the only way to have prevent this in the future is if all of us parents around the planet not only bring these kids into the world, but finish the job of raising to be responsible human beings before we unleash them on everyone else.
Everything that happened in this kid's life led him to this. Every thing his victims were living for ended too soon.
Don't look for the reasons. They change nothing. Don't look for justice. He took it away when he fired his last shot.
Look for a way to stop this from ever happening again. Look to, and after, your kids.
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Interesting thoughts Ray, & I agree with many of them. I think the poor kid had this all building up inside of him, & if it hadn't been a gun, he would have used something else.
I believe it starts at home, & yea, before that, I agree with everything Jow Golden said in his first post. We took God out of everything. And truly, what was the harm of teaching your kids to love & to be kind to others? What were they afraid of anyway? People being kind to each other? The Beautitudes. Good stuff.
I not only feel bad for the victims, but I can't help but feel bad for the shooter's family. I can't imagine what they are going through!!!! They must be aching all over in every direction.
One IMPORTANT comment tho.... People against guns don't seem to understand one thing...If you take the guns off the ordinary citizens, the CRIMINALS WILL STILL HAVE THEIRS & WILL BE ABLE TO GET MORE. Now what?
Thank you Steve for not locking the post. We are all adults & it is good we can talk about these things.
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I'll say this, then I'm done with this subject, for anything we say here makes little difference now for 32 innocent victims.
I don't own a firearm. My location, my lifestyle and my very limited exposure to "Joe Public" leaves me with little or no concern for my safety. I'm mostly worried when I gotta get out and drive with the teenagers and morons, which isn't often. However, if my life was different, if I lived in an urban environment and/or worked in a heavily populated area, like in a major office building, a mall, a stadium or arena, or even a convenience store, I'd be packin' heat. Not out of fear, but out of concern. In other words, if I were in the position those students and teachers were in, I don't believe I would've been asking myself; "Didn't his parents raise him right?" I hope I would've had the chance and presence of mind to think; "How fast can I draw my Glock?", and had the calmness and expertise to take careful, very careful,... aim.
However, the victims had NO means with which to defend themselves yesterday. The Virginia General Assembly saw to that over a year ago.
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quote:Originally posted by Bobbie Rochow: One IMPORTANT comment tho.... People against guns don't seem to understand one thing...If you take the guns off the ordinary citizens, the CRIMINALS WILL STILL HAVE THEIRS & WILL BE ABLE TO GET MORE. Now what?
by the way Bobbie... who are these "People against guns" that you speak of?
..would that be folks like myself or other letterheads who made comments in this thread, clearly related to nothing more then discussing the ease with which firearms are available?
I realize your comment may also be in reference to society in general... but since it is us letterheads the comment was made to, I'd like to point out, that out of any letterheads who even remotely spoke in support of any kind of gun control, none suggested to simply "take the guns off the ordinary citizens".
Even if they had, does you post mean to imply that anyone could somehow not "seem to understand" your oversimplified & rather obvious hypothetical conclusion?
I personally think it ludicrous to assume anyone does not get that, & would instead venture the guess that "People against guns" are possibly just against easily available guns, unregistered guns, or fully automatic assault rifles.
I'm not defending every law that puts any restrictions on gun ownership any more then I would claim to know about even a minute percentage of such laws, but I do believe some gun related laws have their place. There are various opinions on that topic of course, & we can expect discussion of those opposing views to increase in the US now.
Whatever the best solution is for 300 million people, is probably not going to be exactly what is asked for by either extreme... so reducing the discussion to extremes is really no better then not discussing it at all.
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Doug, assault rifles are not necessarily fully automatic and as a matter of fact most aren't. I have a Ruger Ranch rifle which did not fall into the catagory of an assault rifle even during the ban years but yet is an assault rifle in every sense of the word. If I'm not mistaken that ban was mostly for guns that had a military look or feel to it and had a hi-capacity clip. During the ban years you couldn't even buy a 25 round clip for a Ruger 1022 - 22 caliber rifle, the Ruger 1022 is a biggest selling rifle in the world.
This last paragraph is not directed towards anyone in particular.
This country has a hard time enforcing the laws already on the books and adding more laws would just confuse honest law abiding citizens into believing that guns are more dangerous then ignorance, arrogance and down right stupidity.
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
quote:Originally posted by Joey Madden: Doug, assault rifles are not necessarily fully automatic and as a matter of fact most aren't. I have a Ruger Ranch rifle which did not fall into the catagory of an assault rifle...
interesting... well, not really but, ...whatever ...the comment was a generalization about the difference between "no gun rights" and "gun control" ...not a hair-splitting legal description.
There will probably never be a unanimous agreement among an entire nation, but civilization seems to require laws. Times change & laws evolve. Issues with enforcability of existing laws should somehow justify not evolving?
Without a doubt, there is a valid argument in your last paragraph, but pandering to the confusion of fools solves nothing.
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I have at least 2 American friends that will never see the beauty of Canada. They refuse to go anywhere where they cannot carry their guns. Over the years I have come to accept that this is just the way it is in the US. We share the World's longest border, yet the 2 countries view this whole gun thing so differently.
The US was born out of Revolution. I can understand why the Founders thought it was a great idea to have a gun around in case someone tried to take their new freedom away, but somewhere along the line, something went really wrong.
The idea that I need a gun to defend my home and Family has never concerned me. We've had a car stolen and a break-in, but insurance looked after any loses. Unless my life is at stake, there is no way I am going to risk my life in a gun battle over anything material.
I have a Friend here in Ontario that owns every gun Dirty Harry ever had. I do enjoy blowing the hell outta pumpkins out at his farm, but I often wonder what could happen if curious kids or a messed up individual had access to his guns at the wrong time. The idea of everyone walking around with a deadly gun scares the hell out of me. I'd have to have one for sure!
In my opinion, the US is already at this point and there is no going back. There's something sad about reaching a point where we have to live in fortified homes afraid to go outside without a gun. What's next? Armored Toyotas and armed convoys? Where's the freedom in a life like this?
In reality, many of these people who resort to this type of mass murder are suffering from some sort of mental disease. Nobody wants to take any real action until it's too late.
It was always easy to say this was just another excuse until we experienced this in our own Family. Have you ever tried to get help for a loved one suffering from Bi Polar or Schzophrenia? The System is setup to take action only after something serious happens. It's very frustrating and stressful!
I forget what I even started out to say here. Many times I find myself reading the BB in the early hours. It's 4:30am right now.
Letterville is much more than some website about signs. It's based on almost 30 years of spending time with real Friends that believe in this thing we call Letterheads. I'm aware that there are many that still do not understand what I am talking about. That only happens when you start getting away from the keyboard, attend real live meets and get to know each other personally.
When something terrible happens like this, I can't help but remember the harsh words, and various ways some of us have chose to use when talking to each other. After 11 years of this, we all pretty well know that some of us enjoy a good fight and don't give a rat's ass who gets hurt in the process. When we can understand why that happens, and find a better way to deal with each other in a kinder way, we just may be able to make a small difference in our own small Community.
BTW. Me things I should learn to go to bed instead of writing this posts.
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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no offense taken. My solution is not to kill them all but we have prison overcrowding. We have people on death row for 10 years. we have repeat offenders. this is all political bull****. Life comes down to nothing more than power and monney and who has it.
Im not a vigilante. i dont start trouble. I do carry a gun on me most times. bank, post office, if im out late night. It would take alot for me to pull it out. Im not that brazen to be flashing it. It does make me feel better. when the mayor of your sity tells its people to get a handgun and protect yourself....you know life is not as it was when growing up.
i do beleive if more people were killed when these hanous acts occur it would set an example. same thing in schools. they dont paddle kids anymore. and the kids know they wont get touched. its ridiculous.
one thing that stands out in my mind was those idiots that robbed that bank the guy have kevlar on every part of his body exept his face. you guys remember this bullets were bouncing off this guy left and right. why not shoot his face? why not end this stupid display? this was one of the most ridiculous things I had ever seen. and they kept shootting the guy!!!!
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Doug A., you sound like a politician. How about getting to whatever point it is you're talking around.
quote: "People against guns" are possibly just against easily available guns, unregistered guns, or fully automatic assault rifles.
"Fully automatic assault rifles?? Just who has those? Do you realize how many loops and the waiting period required to be able to own such a weapon? I believe it's like 3 years and you would practically be surveiled for the entire 3 years. Not to mention you better be squeaky clean, like not even as much as a speeding ticket. Unless of course you're a gangster, drug dealer, murder, rapist etc. Then you go underground and get them from some gretin who smuggled them into this country anyway. Semi- autos are not full autos but politicians like to trick the unknowing to believe that their so called "assault weapons" are just that. They're not but like Joey said even a Ruger 10/22 is considered an "assault weapon" to them. Not hardly it's a .22 caliber rifle that is used my many farmers, ranchers and country folks to kill varmint.
quote: The US was born out of Revolution. I can understand why the Founders thought it was a great idea to have a gun around in case someone tried to take their new freedom away, but somewhere along the line, something went really wrong.
I like to think those founding fathers were some pretty smart individuals but I'd imagine your opinion differs. The second amendment is the amendment that protects all the other amendments. What right does anyone have without the right to defend oneself after you have spoken out against the establishment? Hence: 1st amend. "freedom to speak"....2nd amend. "right to bear arms". It amazes me that people forget what the world was like just a couple of centuries ago and how many people fought and died for what we have today and how easily folks are willing to give that back....Does anyone read history anymore?
Have you ever seen the pictures of all those SKULLS FROM RWANDA?
If not google it. Those large gashes in the skulls are not from guns, they're from machetes. Now just how do approx. 1 million people get slaughtered with machetes? One word DEFENCELESS. Maybe an "assault machete" ban is required because they're soooo dangerous and it really scares me how easily they are acquired and how many people may have these laying around their house, waiting for a mad family member to get a hold of. Lets see, you can only have a machete with a blade no longer then 4" and a handle not bigger then to wrap two fingers around
The lessons of Katrina and VT are this: YOUR GOVERNMENT CAN NOT ALWAYS PROTECT YOU AND IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT YOURSELF.
God willing it never happens in any of our lives but when and if the **** really hits the fan in this crazy world we live in, like it already has in Africa and elsewhere, the anti gunners will be the first ones running to the gun toters looking for protection. You may be the first to get shot ......That's a joke for those that may not get it.
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Steve, one little thing.... I'm going to put this as nicely as I can, but Canada has a little different mix of people than many parts of the U.S.
If you were to spend a little time around Montgomery, AL where Brucie works and lives... especially at night or on the weekends, you might change your mind about totin' a gun... and you'd see the problem is NOT the people who are buying and carrying guns legally.
I know you say you wouldn't live in a place like that, move out.. but that's already the problem. Crime moves into a neighborhood and the good people move out. And then the neighborhood gets worse. What are you gonna do finally, leave the whole city to hoodlums? The cops don't do anything, they come from these same neighborhoods and everyone has connections.
As far as gun control, there is no law that could ever have prevented this freak from getting guns. Take cocaine for example. It's totally against the law to sell it, use it or even have it in your possession, but still it is readily available to the people that really desire it...
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Doug, I guess I am a "simple minded person". I am sorry, I don't read into a lot of threads about guns, I usually scan them when I read statistics & descriptions of guns. Instead of posting my opinion on what has already been said, this time I will post what I believe myself.
My husband has about a dozen guns, mostly shotguns, rifles for hunting. I think he has a 9mm & something else that is a handgun. I cannot tell his guns apart, I do not shoot them or take much interest because I am busy with my own things. I was raised in a family that had guns in the house, it was common, & us kids had no interest in playing with them, but my brother & sister hunted with my dad & grandpa.
I do believe that in the world we live in today, our government has to take precautions to make sure the guns being sold do not fall into the wrong hands, like this young man who did this. I do believe in background checks. I do, however have a concern for people who are totally against guns in general & feel they ought to all be turned in. I should have read the posts more carefully, & for that I am sorry.
I think we all need to realize on all sides of this issue that we live in a much different world today, with all the bad things going on. It makes the whole thing much more complex than it used to be, doesn't it?
Doug, I am sorry if I offended you. I like you! I guess I should have read the thread more carefully before I posted.
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Bobbie, you didn't offend me, & I was not hoping to offend you either. The pro-gun rhetoric is reaching a fever pitch & you and I know there are folks here who fall in various places along the spectrum of extremes on this issue, like on most issues. Quite often the loudest voice on a hot topic like this ends up being the only voice heard, & my sense on this & other boards is that the The pro-gun rhetoric is the loudest voice. I hope Steve didn't mean me when he said some here like to fight, not caring who gets hurt. He probably did though, but the reality is when a viewpoint is thrust forth that I consider to be well off center of the majority opinion, I play the devils advocate because as more jump on the bandwagon I read it as my extreme view is the only way... don't dare disagree ...so I dare.
quote:Originally posted by Joe Sciury: Doug A., you sound like a politician. How about getting to whatever point it is you're talking around.
I'll make another feeble attempt to clarify myself for you... the only point I'm making is that "gun laws suck" is NOT the only "point" there is
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