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I think it’s kind of hard to compare two different companies like Dell with Mac anyway. I mean, Dell isn’t really competing in the OS market. Dell doesn’t really compete with ipod or itunes either. They just sell Hardware. And really hardware doesn’t have anything to do with Laura’s problem. If you really wanted to compare (which I don’t) you should compare apple with all of the PC community. I would assume the PC community is making a bit more money… but I don’t really see how stock standings have anything to do with Laura’s problem.
Joe, I hope I’m not upsetting you; I’m just trying to be helpful not push your buttons. I'm sorry if i have. You seem to be very knowledgeable when it comes to the Mac products, But truth be told anyone can spend time researching and sighting material that already supports their claims. If I had a little more time, or cared that strongly about this little debate, I’m sure I could find lots of info about how Macs, suck. Honestly I don’t think they do. I think Mac has a great thing going. I still stand by my opinion that switching to Mac won’t fix all of Laura’s problems, but you can only do so much right?
Curtis I didn’t know that about Dell, and Doug I didn’t know that about Sony. I’ve never owned a Sony, and the last time we had Dell’s was when they were still in the old school Tan cases (they had thumb screws). Those Dells are about 7-8 years old and still running strong. They are too slow for us to do design work on, but we are using one to run our display computer upfront that has a slide show of our work. Also if a trucker is waiting on his truck he can sit down and watch a movie. But really, who has ever purchased a computer because the side panel was easy to remove. Like I said earlier these new computers are all well designed form a hardware perspective.
quote: Again, it sounds like she is going to be running two OSs anyway
That’s not true, I think she should give Vista a try… then she is using only one… especially if the only problem is the Mail program. I would suggest installing a different mail program if that is the case.
quote: It sounds like half of nothing is working with Vista anyway or very slowly like Ian stated
The funny thing about this type of statement is that Mac fanatics want to here only the negative things about Vista and PCs in general, because they obviously like Macs, I get that. In the same breath they ignore the positive things people have to say or choose to argue with them about their opinions. This isn’t just true with Mac users; people in general usually only pay attention to the negatives and forget to say positive things towards someone or something.
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Joe, don't sweat it, you're not upsetting me! Most of YOUR arguments are logical even if slightly flawed...LOL
I really haven't spent much time researching this just for this debate. Apple has these neat little programs called "Widgets" you know Windows/Vista just added these, they call them "Gadgets" how creative they are! Anyway I just clicked on the scroll wheel of my mouse and up pop the Widgets. I then typed iPod in the Wikipedia widget to see what the sales of iPods were. It's really pretty neat, I didn't even have to go to the Wikipedia web site and it took about 5 seconds to figure it out.
Actually I've been using Macs for so long that I had some of those machines and knew about the slip off/no screw lids. Also the Michael Dell quote about "Apple should close the doors" has kind of been a hoot in the Mac community for years.
Truthfully I checked out Vista at the local Best Buy and thought it was a very nice looking OS, if nothing else at least they finally got that part right. I really didn't think it seamed that hard to navigate in either but the funny thing was the first Vista computer I started playing with crashed and I had to move to a different computer. My first impression when that happened, was well I guess some things never change.
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In an effert to be more informed about MAC's and to have an open mind about the product. I found that MAC's do in fact have mechanical problems just like any other product.
We have just one local shop dealing with MACS and this is their webpage. Right there on the front page is a special repair notice concerning the power supply problem. Thank god MAC's are normal machines. I think I could learn to fix these items and make some money too.
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Curtis, you're absolutely right that Macs can have hardware problems too, just like anything else but the best thing about this problem is: Did you notice where it said "Apple is offering a repair extension program for certain models of the iMac G5 and Power Mac G5".
Yes, there was high heat issues with the G5 but really the G5 is yesteryears computer and that's why Apple dropped the G5. For anyone considering the purchase of new Mac, this old news would not be relevant.
quote:Originally posted by Jon Jantz: Since we seem to be pulling up random crackpot websites....
I resemble that! Did you click on the link I posted? It has nothing to do with Vista, LOL.
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quote:Originally posted by Joe Sciury: the G5 is yesteryears computer and that's why Apple dropped the G5. For anyone considering the purchase of new Mac, this old news would not be relevant.
Not to pick on you Joe, but your post got me thinking. The funny thing is, most Mac evangelists like to quote all kinds of info from yesteryear - as long as it has to do with PCs. For example, one of the Mac commercials talks about PCs being good with numbers and Macs being better for graphics? It is funny, but it's also bunk. It used to be true, but hasn't been for years. The reputation for PCs constantly crashing is outdated too. I'm trying to remember the last time my PC actually locked up on me. Before OS X, I remember how Macs used to crash, crash, crash. And, it was especially irritating because Apple decided not to put power switches on them at the time. You had to unplug it from the wall to reboot!
There are plenty of things I hate about the PC, and Vista isn't in my plans at all. However, there are lots of things I would change about the Mac too. For having such a head start on the PC, the Mac should be much better than it currently is.
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quote: [QUOTE] ...or taking notes from Sony. My 4 Sony Vaio computers have slide off sides (no screws) & this goes back at least 7 years.
Hello, earth to Doug, since at least 1993 with the LC/Quadra, Apple has had no screws, slip off covers and simple, flip open sides since 1999.
quote: ...& then you bought a cheaper MP3 player because it was cheaper & you didn't want to cave in to your attraction to a better looking case.
Earth to Doug again. There's a lot more than just an attractive case.
Joe... sorry, you're getting way to preachy to be of interest to me, but your meaningless, or out-of-context quote deserve a quick mention. I said 7 years with my own Sony's... & you can document 8... wow... well, I didn't do research, so I'll assum I had the first one... you win!
On the ipod comment, it is a comment to Todd about Todd's actual MP3 purchase... sorry you are so defensive about this topic. I love my ipod... almost as much as I love razzing Todd.
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for the compliments! You guys kept prodding so I couldn't resist, stating some facts for you. I guess we all should get back to something constructive
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I think everyone should pick out their favorite brush, a can of one shot and see who can top that. But then again there might be too many brush brands to quibble over. Man, this board is a gas! And I have no clue about what I just said.
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NEXT was UNIX-based, and I think that is why Apple bought them. They planned to integrate the NEXT OS with the Mac OS. I'm guessing that because the BSD development was well-developed, and open-source, Apple decided to use it rather than develop their own.
The big mistake with NEXT was they assumed nobody would want or need color. Macs flew off the shelves and the NEXT machines stayed put. It was a very promising product that went nowhere.
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Hey now, what about the Apple-ll......Looks like it's about to start all over again.....Just kidding
Yes, the Mac OS-X is basically a UNIX system built on technology that was developed at NEXT. When Steve Jobs got pushed out of Apple, I believe he went on to found NEXT Computer. Thus when returning to Apple in the late 90s along came the NEXT technology and OS-X .
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Hahaha, hey everyone. I haven't used Vista yet...hmmm... I doubt I ever will. I'm a Mac nerd..actually, I'm a mac dork! No, wait... I just left my wife and married my Mac last week!! I have to say, I truley think Mac is the answer, however.. while using a PowerMac G4 at home, an iMac G5 and a MacBook at work, I will say if you decide to get a Mac, I would look for a PowerMac G5 somewhere, ... that way you can attach any monitor you want and you don't have to go through the Intel mess with your old programs!! Also, CorelDRAW 11 works awesome on Mac! Plus Every version of Photoshop and Illustrator work amazing on the G5, G4, and G3 Macs!! But if you get an extra powerful PC and upgrade everything on the planet to run Vista (including your socks) well... that's cool too.
It wasn't a habitual user at first. It started out with Windows 3.1 and I only used it as a social thing. Emails and the internet at first. A guy I know at the computer store turned me on to Win 95 and Adobe Photoshop and I started using more frequently. Before long I was hooked on solitaire and Internet Explorer. I just couldn't get enough. By the time Win 98 came out, I'd gotten CorelDRAW. I was hooked. Right clicking, changing my desktop wallpaper all the time, upgrading my hardware....all the signs were there...but I was playing Doom 2. I was addicted. My work began to slack off, I'd get exteremly outraged at power outages, my social life in chat rooms. I took virus attacks personally and spent more time cleaning my cache than my shop.
Despite the temptation, I never got Win 2000 or Millenium. It was a turning point in my life.
I was starting to recover and doing things in the real world, spending more quality time with my friends and family and getting my work done again.
By the time Win XP came out, I'd learned how to surf in moderation. Solitaire...it didn't have that same thrill any more. System Restoring was cool, but I didn't get hooked by it. Haven't bought a new video card in years. It's been good.
Vista's out there now and it's got a lot of tempting, pretty bells and whistles, but thanks to the past, I've learned a lot. It's still a little too new and I don't want to digress back into the days of changing desktop icons for hours, tweaking the screen saver settings and surfing the net for driver patches.
Vista may be ready for me, but I'm not ready for it. Until then, I'm keeping my OS clean and sober. Rapidoholic
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Dusty, I had am Amiga 2000 and a 500. How many other computers has 1 *megabyte* - not gigs - and can run the OS and program on it and still not crash? Anyone that's familiar with the Amiga knows how truly ahead of it's time it was. Mac was using them as a "peripheral" - the video toaster, like you really needed the Mac for that. Too bad it didn't get the support or money it deserved; the world would certainly be a lot better off.
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Those are just the apprentice cavemen, Dusty.
The senior cavemen are all saying "You damn kids and your sticks and wheels. Here's how we kill with our bare hands, and aside from Ugh being killed by a bear last week, our methods are far superior."
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I have found this whole thread very entertaining. I use both Mac and PC systems and generally get along well with both. I do need to clear some misconceptions:
All those millions of "Mac problems" posts on Google are generated by a bunch of Dell tech support washouts who Bill (short for Beelzebub) Gates has locked in a Calcutta basement and whose families he holds hostage to insure their continued compliance.
Nettie's Mac is the only one to ever have problems...and yes it was sabotaged by BBG's toadies.
The world as we know it DID begin in 1983.
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What, you guys never saw a computer punch card before??? My mom used to make cool Christmas wreaths out of them as far back as the 60s.
I'm gonna go get my 1983 Texas Instruments laptop, drop a cassette into it, write a few lines of basic, and play space invaders for the rest of the day...peace. Rapid
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I shuffled many a deck of punch cards at George Mason College in my computer science class in 1969. We had IBM 360 and Xerox Sigma 7 mainframes. I think my watch has more computing power now.
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Ricky, I still have a few Amigas around and an emulator. You got to admit, this all looks too familiar. Amigaphiles were just as zealous in their support too. Of course, there was good reason to be, it was way ahead of the others. Now, what's the real difference? Not much, get a religion or join the local lodge.
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Did have the Amiga 1000 with all the signature of the production group under the main plastic cover. NOW WHERE DID I PUT IT? OK I remember! I'm sure it was the landfill sight! with the toaster and hard case 80mg drive.
I may have some of the MS_DOS 3.5 load up floppies here somewhere!
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Holy crap Stephen, you had one with a hard drive?? We call that "tall cotton" down here.
David you are right on about the Amiga zealots. We had a "users group" called P.I.G.S. (pirates in georgia somewhere). We even had a logo of a wild boar with a bandana, nose ring and eye patch. Man I miss that system.
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This is to all the MAC elitists posting on this thread:
Get over yourselves AND your MACs. If they were worth paying a lot more for I would buy one, but they are not. They do have pretty cases though. Yup, they ARE pretty.
Bill Gates bashing is easy. Why don't you find yourselves a CHALLENGE?
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Did you click on the link I posted? It has nothing to do with Vista, LOL.
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