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Dave Sherby
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The design is set. This sign was originally a sandblasted redwood sign. He uses the shape in all his ads and he does not want to change. He is changing the name of the business, adding "& Cremation Services". We are propsing a black smalts background, maroon smalts in the oval, maroon border and gold leaf letters and tree. Our original concept was to just do the main copy in gold and the sub copy painted, but the customer wants all gold.

This will be a two sided sign, the first of 4 signs for his 3 locations.

I started wondering about sandblasting out the background and then having to add the gold leaf letters to the raised letters left by the sandblasting. They would be sticking out well beyond the border. So now I'm thinking bout 1 inch HDU for the main background, and gluing on the border so the letters and border are the same thickness.

Any ideas? We're going to make 2 signs with a gap in the middle so they can slide over the existing stainless steel brackets that are attached to two brick columns.

[ March 21, 2007, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Dave Sherby ]

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Dave Sherby
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OK... photo is not uploading.... working on it.

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Dave Sherby
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SherWood Sign & Graphic Design
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You might be overthinking this, Dave. Why would it matter if the letters are higher than the border?

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Here ya go Dave:


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[ March 21, 2007, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Si Allen ]

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Cam, I wasn't sure about the look. But I'm also looking at ways to save material and thus increase profit. ie: 1.5 inch HDU vs. 1". The time, gas, sand, rubber, to sandblast the background vs. building up the individual parts around a 1" flat piece of HDU. The border pieces would not be that tough to make.

Of course the thin inner border could be tough, plus he wants the inner border in gold leaf also.

[ March 21, 2007, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Dave Sherby ]

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Dave Sherby
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The more I see designs like this, the more I need to buy a ShopBot! This is a perfect job to route.

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Like John said, this is an easy job to route.

You might consider sandblasting and then adding PB Resin to the letters to dome them before gold leafing.

Adding the border and inline with another layer of materials seems like a lot more expense in time and materials than beginning with thicker HDU and blasting away.

Is this right...you are adding cut out letters over the letters left after sandblasting? Why not just sandblast and then gold leaf the raised letters left by the sandblasting?

[ March 21, 2007, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Raymond Chapman ]

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I've given this some more thought. And Checkers called me to talk about this sign.

1. Yes I too am drooling over a router. I know I will get one, it's just a matter of saving some more money for a decent down payment.

2. I agree, the inline would make it tough to assemble.

3. I've decided that the secondary copy and border inline will definatly be domed with PB resin and leafed.

And Ray, yes I'm going to apply cut out letters over what is left after sandblasting for the main copy. I'm figuring a quarter inch step to the gold letters. I was really hoping to do a round face letter for the effect the gold has on that kind of letter. But I may price it with all the letters domed as well to help the price if he balks at the more expensive version.

Ray, I just need to check with my daughter to make sure I have a car to drive over to your place. Most likely it would be the Monday after Easter.

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1" main MDO smalted panel

Routed gold gilded HDU letters glue to surface...

Border frame made with welded aluminum,and bonded with Gorilla Glue/Lords Glue and flathead wood screws.

Extra flat panels for 2-D demensions.
Lots of clearcoating.

[ March 21, 2007, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]

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Hi Dave, I know I have the "router" but it wasn't always the case...

Here's 3D with simple supplies.

Main board: 3/4" or 1" ExTira, solid, rigid and a good structure.

Border: 1" or 1 1/2" HDU strips, easy to carve and shape by hand.

Appliqué: (the tree part) also 1" HDU hand carved or subbed out to a lucky router owner...

Main text: gilded GEMINI letters... yes gilded Gemini letters. Very 3D, very durable, easy to size and guild and you'll get the shiniest gold you've ever seen on a sign. (get the golden plastic ones, this way if there's a tiny scratch it won't show as much...)

Secondary copy: like you said, guilded domed letters would do fine.

A few hand painted trims, a little outline around the main copy and there... lots of 3D, no router required and good quality sign.

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I'd ask them about bartering...so when ya kack you got a hole to be in all paid for...I sound like Joey..I need some weed.
I'd have a router guy do it...I use Matt Rolli in Hudson Wisconsin...He knows what to do and he is very resonable.

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Thanks for the plug Mike. I've enjoyed the hell out of the router's benefits for sure. I hardly sandblast anymore. Long gone are the days of sweating over a pressure pot for only 3/8" letters. Now we're cutting the background, and cutting the lettering for MUCH thicker dimension. Not to mention it's nice to spray paint all components without having to worry bout drips on the letters or background.

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