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Any good advise on this. I have always used Macs for Flexisign ,but since my computer is down I am wondering if it is time to switch to windows. Fortunately , I am painting stock cars by hand right now. The Mac store obviously tells me I won't like windows. Is it true?
-------------------- Ron Bingham Bingham Signs 402 S. Prairie Russell ,Ia. Posts: 10 | From: Russell ,Iowa | Registered: Feb 2007
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o.k. so I probably won't get anywhere with the whole mac or pc , but how am I going to get the duplicate topic off of here. Think I'll just go back to the brush!
-------------------- Ron Bingham Bingham Signs 402 S. Prairie Russell ,Ia. Posts: 10 | From: Russell ,Iowa | Registered: Feb 2007
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I had Mac at one time...I used it for a ddor stop, get on with the rest of the world, go PC....hand lettering stock cars still huh? Good for you, you are a hard core sign man! Get yurself a Geek to get your computers straight...I have a geek that has made some frankenstein hard drives for me, but hell, they still work!!!
where is RUSSELL iowa? Let me guess, it's near a John Deere dealer right?
-------------------- Mike Meyer Sign Painter 189 1st Ave n P.O. Box 3 Mazeppa, Mn 55956
We are not selling, we are staying here in Mazeppa....we cannot re-create what we have here....not in another lifetime! SO Here we are!!!!!!!
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closest John Deere dealer 18 miles. Russell is 35 miles from Cambria. You know the place. Good hearin from ya. How's Nystrom. Talked to him a couple of months ago. Any way , are you serious aboat da PC. I am wondering if after 9 years of Mac , windows might be a little togh for a guy that lives on da Missouri border!
-------------------- Ron Bingham Bingham Signs 402 S. Prairie Russell ,Ia. Posts: 10 | From: Russell ,Iowa | Registered: Feb 2007
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Ya'll will be Awlright....jus make sure you kin plug it in. Y'all kin type fast, do you use more than one finger? I thought u wus near Clairton Ioway? I have to blow ma candle out now, Pa sez to shut that contrapshun off!
bye bye
-------------------- Mike Meyer Sign Painter 189 1st Ave n P.O. Box 3 Mazeppa, Mn 55956
We are not selling, we are staying here in Mazeppa....we cannot re-create what we have here....not in another lifetime! SO Here we are!!!!!!!
If you are going to switch to a new PC, get ready for a truck load of "CRAP" in the way of the new Vista OS from Mr Bills' copy shop. I have been doing some research lately, and you couldn't give me a new PC with Vista on it if it where FREE with a $1000.00 taped to the box upon delivery.
Do some serious research about Mr. Bills' 5 Billion $$$$$$$$$$ ship of fools OS.
-------------------- Bob Cole American Sign Company 14163 Akron Canfield Rd. Berlin Center, Ohio 44401
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I'm a dedicated PC operator and repairer and one time programmer.
Because of VISTA,,, MACS are looking better all the time.
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You're the first person I've ever heard of who has an open mind on this subject.
If you do decide to purchase a Mac I'd advise to get the extended warranty. I'm not suggesting you will need it, however these units don't have much local support and repairs will be expensive.
Also keep in mind, your Flexi will need to be upgraded for PC. This also can be expensive. I've moved over to Corel X3 last month from Flexi as the upgrades are too expensive.
Good luck on your purchase.
J.
-------------------- Joe Crumley Norman Sign Company 2200 Research Park Blvd. Norman, OK 73069 Posts: 1428 | From: 2200 Research Park Blvd. | Registered: Sep 2001
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Yeah, I figured that could be expensive to switch. I found that out last year when I went from my 9 year powermac to the 5 year old I-mac. That ran $1,000, along with some other surprises. It's pretty hard to justify all that money when you Can be doin it by hand. I know.....just get used to it ....right? There are alot of times where I consider unpluggin and if the hand work ain't there, then it's time to quit. I'll probably keep on keepin on cause it seems to be in the blood.
These are all great tips to consider. Whether I switch or not I'm sure I'll be fine. Just a learning curve I guess. My kids are the ones giving me all the static about Macs. Every time I can't figure something out,they say it's because it's a mac.
I'll find out today if the I-mac is toast.
-------------------- Ron Bingham Bingham Signs 402 S. Prairie Russell ,Ia. Posts: 10 | From: Russell ,Iowa | Registered: Feb 2007
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If you go to an MS machine PLEASE don't go for Vista, hunt around for an XP machine or get XP OEM from someone that can build you one. As a signwriter turned computer jockey, Vista looks like making this the most profitable year so far but I'm not sure if I want the unadulterated ****fight it is going to cause. As for kids bitching, I'd keep your machine for work, give them a cheap windows box with SP2 loaded and let them have at it until it doesn't work any more, then give them the cd to wipe/reinstall once it is FUBAR. HTH
-------------------- David Fisher D.A. & P.M. Fisher Services Brisbane Australia da_pmf@yahoo.com Trying out a new tag: "Parents are the bones on which children cut their teeth Peter Ustinov Posts: 1450 | From: Brisbane Queensland Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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It doesn't seem like a good time to switch, especially if a Mac is what you are used to. Vista is very new, and very controversial. It remains to be seen how the average use will be affected by the "improvements". Macs are more expensive, but there is the added benefit of stability and the current lack of virus and spyware problems.
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If you are stil hand lettering race cars and have a good customer base, stick with it, you'll notice you really don't save any time by going to vinyl and the material costs....well...no comparison. Wraps are starting to take over anyways.
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
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I switched to a Mac from the MS-PC world a couple years ago and man, talk about an enjoyable computing experience. I don't know why a long-time Mac user would in their right mind want to switch to Windows, especially now with Sheista on the landscape - unless they were around when MacOS had a string of instabilities and they never bothered to upgrade to OSX which is amazingly stable.
Macs are gaining marketshare these days. More and more software manufacturers are making their programs Mac compatible and even hardware vendors are doing the same, and including Mac drivers.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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George, I'm definitely not going with vinyl for race cars. For one thing, there are 30 other part time computer sign shops, and paint sets me apart from them. Since cars are seasonal, I have to use the computer for 4 x 8 layouts, then hand paint. Also for over the road trucks I use vinyl. Anybody that thinks paint without completely clearcoating with automotives is going to last....well I want to talk to them also. I am certainly taking all of the suggestions to heart. It's my first time logging in on this site. I think I'm addicted. David, My kids are married with their own children. That's what makes me think (maybe) they know what they are talking about. I laugh them off for now when they give me static. I better go paint a few more strokes, it will make me feel gooooooood!
-------------------- Ron Bingham Bingham Signs 402 S. Prairie Russell ,Ia. Posts: 10 | From: Russell ,Iowa | Registered: Feb 2007
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This is getting to be an interesting topic for me since I know I am going to need a new system more sooner than later.
So what exactly are the issues with Vista? Not that I care about running out to get it, but what are the concerns?
I have had a little experience in working on a mac and would certainly be interested in going that route. What sign making programs could we expect to see in the mac world in the near future. I use Omega, I don't think it is supported? Corel Draw? The Adobe products are of course, but what about the sign software?
A) that when you get a Vist@ machine,, there will be no drivers for more than a few of the peripheral devices. M$ is charging large fees to get signed drivers. So, you may end up buying a new scanner, new printers, new digi cams, new video capture devices if you want to make dvd's from home movies, new docking stations, new of a lot of things. Simply upgrading even a late model machine suitable for vist@ will likely cost you as much as it would to get a new machine. And then you also need to buy new devices as well. And, the new machines do not run as fast as XP machines do. This is not speculation. It is a fact.
2) vist@ is strictly limited to what content it will deliver. For example. You have a really nice HD display but the drivers and device is not signed by M$. Your display will not work at full capacity if at all. Many newer model displays will not be certified by M$ and will not play yoru content period. All the rest will not deliver full HD but it will be reduced in quality down to just above a dvd display level.
The activation and validation process goes beyond normal needs is becomming intrusive and allows M$ to subtract options as they see fit. SOme way this is moot because M$ does not do that, However, M$ has and does change their software allowances all the time. IE: One M$ software allowed you to make screen captures at one time,, where through updates it no longer captures screens.
On the side, M$ has slowly but deilberatly removed certain options from your present machine under the guise of critical updates.. For example. M$ wants to be the sole providor of streaming media. Likewise they have added code to your machine that will restrict your access to media and prevent you from time shifting. Even though time shifting is fully legal and is allowed by law. The guru world is calling it phantomware, "It was here last week now it wont run".
There is a content chip on the new vist@ machines that will control what your machine will deliver. For example. You purchase software. it runs fine. Then one day they decide to charge you for an update. You decide not to upgrade. They use the chip to turn off your software.
And finally. There is nothing new and compelling in Vist@ that makes it worth while to make the change.
I have been following these concepts because I think I will make some good money with ppl getting into trouble with the newer OS. Ive made a few bux being the neighborhood geek. Some of it is from those who tried vist@ but found themselves over their heads.
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Longtime PC user, moved to a Intel based MacBook laptop the end of last year, and yesterday got the new 24" IMac!!!! Wow!!!!! Running "Parallels" software, it's like having 2 computers in 1-- I can't even imagine going back.
It has been 5 years since I have upgraded a computer, so I did drop some $$$$, but it wasn't that bad--- approx.-$2000 for a 24" screen, 500 gig HD, Kick-butt graphic card, all the other cool specs on the iMac, and $79 for Parallels software (you do have to have a disc with another operating system like XP to load into Parallels)
I was fully up and running with all of the software installed in less than 40 minutes! I can run all of the Mac stuff, and CorelX3 on the same screen.
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1736 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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With Macs Ive always felt it was sort of a Members only elitist club to get parts, repairs, software,...anything. Sure you can get a 250 gig hard drive but it will cost you 300 versus the 150 for 400 gig hard drive for a pc. For me the desicion to run a PC is purely economic and availability. I love to work on Macs, but am discouraged by the price tag. That being said your a mac user. The whole point of a computer is to streamline and make repeats easier and more efficient. I think switching pc types would be a step backwords. Just my .02
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Interesting - I like to read these Mac/PC debates....
My daughters' ol Dell went kaput on her recently...it was old enough that I thought I'd just buy her a new one.
Went to Comp USA - which also is a MAC dealer....
By the time I got a cheap Gateway off the shelf with an extended warranty it ran me $780 bucks....
I could have gotten a MAC mini for about that same price which would have been way cool, really small (great for her apartment) and she would have no worries about compatibility issues with the new Vista PC os.
Luckily, I didn't open the box...and checked out her computer .... discovered the hard drive was just about shot.... the click of death sound and really long startup times.
So, I returned the Gateway...got a new hard drive and reloaded windows/programs...it runs like a charm.
But I will tell you this....after comparing...and talking with the Apple employed MAC salesperson who sits in the corner where the MAC's are sold....and playing with the MAC......I will definately be buying a MAC next purchase.
Besides....I thought that "puff-of-smoke" cloud that shows up on screen when you drag a program out of the docking area was just soooo cool I literally laughed out loud in the store....
Even one of the regular sales guys in the store told me he would buy a MAC.... and that Vista has "issues."
You can get MS office for a MAC for $150....includes word, excel, powerpoint...I believe. Other than converting Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop license over...what more do you need?
The MAC's come with video editing software and a gob of apps.
Unless you're a gamer - which I'm not - I don't see anything keeping me from switching.
-------------------- Todd Gill Outside The Lines Potterville, MI Posts: 7792 | From: Potterville, MI | Registered: Dec 2001
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Aaron, you're thinking of Macs of yesteryear. PC hard drives, memory sticks, scanners, tablets, displays, keyboards, mice, well just about everything runs on Macs now. Plug and play baby.
Bought 2 viewsonic LCD displays, one for my G4, one for the Dell. Just bought 2 wireless laser mice from Microsoft. Plug & play on both machines.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5400 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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There's a reason the world over creative professionals use the Mac. Better built in color management, font management and bar none the most intuitive, creative environment out there. It's really a phenomena how the sign industry fell into the beleaguered world of the Windoze spreadsheet drones.
The only thing I can figure is that a lot of your sign artist are not formally educated and most likely fought computer integration so when they finally surrendered to technology they didn't really know what they wanted and were sold Windows/PCs by greedy salesman who just wanted a quick easy sale. Where as the college educated in commercial/graphic arts knew what they wanted and knew the superior platform for creativity, color and font management was the Mac. Hence all the Mac dominated ad agencies, corporate art depts. etc.
The Mac is not perfect but damn there :^).....It's harder to find software but it's not that it's not out there, you just have to know where to look. Your not going to walk into Best Buy or Wal Mart and buy your Mac software. Thanks to the Internet though it's not that much of issue these days. There are tons of Mac specific retailers on the web, here is one of my favorites http://eshop.macsales.com/> and they have 500gb Maxtor hard drives for as low as $133 (not $300 for a 250gb) and by the way Mac Pro towers you just flip a latch up and the case folds open like you were opening a copy of your favorite sign industry magazine so adding more ram, bigger hard drives, better graphics cards can be added in minutes by a 10 year old and then back to creating.
Not to mention the new Macs are multi OS platforms. You can use Apple's free Bootcamp to run Windows, Linux or the Mac OS-X. You can use Parallels or VMWare to run Windows and Linux side by side with OS-X so no rebooting just a click of the mouse and you jump from Windows to Mac and back. So just what's not to like about the Mac of today? Wall street sure likes them and for good reason. Oh forgot to mention, spyware, malware, viruses never crosses your mind on the Mac. Just turn the firewall on and forget about it. I've been on the Mac for 15 years and have never had anti virus software let alone a virus. Not that it can't happen, just have never personally experienced it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Have at me PC/Windows lovers. :^)
BTW....Dave Sherby hows SignCut X2 working out for you?
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I always thought that the sign industry started with PC's because of it's vector based roots.
You don't need color management and intuitive interfaces to run a CAD program or a single vector based software program.
Gerber really led the way in the mid eighties with the 4B, and then moved onto PC's with proprietary hardware and software. The sign industry followed.
That's why sign makers use Corel Draw while the rest of the graphics world used Illustrator. It was PC only where Illustrator and Photoshop were Mac only way back when.
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There isn't an operating system on the market that is anywhere near perfect. I can find plenty of problems with all of them, including the Mac.
For the work I do, it makes no difference whether I use a Mac or a PC to design. The work ends up looking the same. The key commands are nearly identical. I can exchange files back and forth between my Mac and my PC. No big deal.
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quote: The only thing I can figure is that a lot of your sign artist are not formally educated and most likely fought computer integration so when they finally surrendered to technology they didn't really know what they wanted and were sold Windows/PCs by greedy salesman who just wanted a quick easy sale
Another elitist rant? AHAHAHAHA
Simply not the case at all. Talk about greed? Its hardly a greedy salesman that sold the PC. IT wasn't the PC salesman that charged 1,000 dollars for a memory stick while the PC stick was just $400. IT wasn't the PC using proprietary parts , and software with product licensing denied to any one. The PC was something a homebuilder could do. Quite the contrary. IBM is famous for using OPEN source for every thing thus allowing every one to make parts and systems that make the PC great.
MAC was very high priced while a PC was something you could throw together by collecting parts. The pc had PC users groups all over the country in every town while MACS had just one store every now and then. It was EASY to get a PC. It was easy to get parts. And it was easy to get software.
A PC monitor was just $400 when the very same MAC monitor was over $900. I know because I worked on them back in the day.
So please do not use the greed card or elitist card type of argument to justify certain points in the PC v MAC debate.. It does nothing but make argument look frivolous.
And finally, look inside a MAC and you will see the very same components, memory, hard drives, usb, ethernet, sound cards, printers etc as in a PC. Today they are using the same intel chips too. The only thing that diferentiates the two is the attitudes and beliefs of a MAC user.
Those in the know on both sides just laugh when the PC v MAC debate arrises.
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Curtis, I see Joe's comments fairly accurate. Back in 89 when I was first looking to purchas a plotter it was almost impossible to find one that wasn't bundled with a pc that was operating only a notch above DOS. Than there was Gerber offering a totally closed system also. That is were the sign business went almost totally pc. Nothing to do with education, just a bunch of pc companies attempting to turn their drafting plotters into vinyl cutters.
The thing is, I was a screen shop and did a ton of agency work. . . and yes, they ALL were running Macs. It was my market and at that time it was almost impossible or at best difficult to work with those Mac files on a pc.
I found a little bridge app called Signpost and bought a copy of Illustrator 88 and a Graphtec plotter. I had never even started a computer at that time. Within two hours of delivery I was cutting vinyl! That would have never happened if I had bought into the pc world.
Yea, the macs got a bit behind in the late 90's as far as speed goes but they were and still are very well built machines. Yes, they WERE more expensive also. Your repeating very old history and it just doesn't apply today. Sure you can build your own cpu very inexpensivly but most of us would just rather turn it on and make money.
I'm still running an old G3 with Signpost as a spare workstation. It's ancient as far as computer age goes and still doesn't miss a beat.
You can believe that the hardward is the same but it sure doesn't operate the same. OS X is hands down the best OS on the planet at this time and Vista's arrival only made it a better choice. The secret's out, and it's not being spouted by MacWorld magazine but all of the "Normal" pc mags.
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1357 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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Joe's point above does have some truth to it....and Curtis makes some excellent points also and knows more about this stuff than I ever will.
I came out of an Education background, working in an University art and design department for the last 6 years. The department has a pretty large graphic design department. A few years ago that university was the first in Wisconsin to require incoming freshmen to "purchase" a laptop upon registering for full-time classes. The various departments fought hard to keep the univeristy a two platform environment. It was decided that the art department and graphic arts management students would be given Macs and the rest of the students would get Compaq (now HP) laptops. The purchasing department pushed hard for all PC because the numbers ($$$) looked more impressive on the PC. The other departments argued that Graphic Designers would graduate after four years of using a PC with Windows only to try and get a job at a firm that uses all Macs.
The Graphic Design Labs there use only Mac G5's and all art students except for the Interior design students use mac Laptops supplied by the school.
There is not a copy of CorelDraw to be found in any of the Graphic Design labs on that University. Most students have never used it and many that I asked about it had never heard of it.
There seems to be a great divide sometimes in the world of sign making and the world of Graphic Design....and yet they go hand in hand?
Currently, I use PC's with XP at my full-time job. I get pretty frustrated when things go south....and they head that way pretty often...out of memory prompts, lock up, re-boot....I'm sure I saved that file a few times...after the task manager -end task....no file? It can be crazy making.
About a year ago I considered buying a PC laptop for my own use...I thought I could get an inexpensive laptop to get by for a while. I decided I would rather spend a bit more and get a higher end Mac machine with OSX, the iLife suite and iWork software that all works together.
The only major hardware problem I've had with my Macs since 1993 was a Hard Drive that went bad....media failure.
Using both operating systems regularly now makes me really appreciate Mac OS X.
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Bill I agree with most of what he said too.. OSX is a good OS. No doubt about it. The software is good too.
But I just disagree with the following.
quote: surrendered to technology they didn't really know what they wanted and were sold Windows/PCs by greedy salesman who just wanted a quick easy sale.
These sayings are what make me laugh. Because I remember the days well. It was fun..
Greed had nothing to do with it. I worked in a PC shop right across from a MAC shop in Slidell. I can guarantee that there was no need to push a sale onto any one. The customer in just about 99% of the time already made up their minds that a PC was what they wanted. There main concerns was could they get a discount. Often they would know more about the specs of the latest before we did. We used to look out the window, watch people walk into the MAC place and bets on how long they would be there, IF they would walk out witha box, or if they would be walking into our place shortly after. That fact was not caused by a greedy salesman. In those days, a pc came with windoze a load of utils, a collection of office softwares. Quicken was just 14 bux and a couple other goody softs and a modem for $2200 bux. a MAC was over $4 grand.
The corporate sales side was amazing. Corporate customers would walk in and order computers. We would give coupons to the purchasing agent to pass out at his company. Their employess would be back to get their own PC as fast as we could get them in. We boomed but were sad to see the MAC shop close. And unfortunatly, to this day there still is not a MAC shop there nor is there one near me here. If there was I would likely be in there getting educated on MAC platforms.
Anyway,, in about a year.. when every one quits biatching and moaning,, vista will have found its place and something new will be announced. The new one is already in beta. The choice for PC or a MAC? Its all a personal thing.
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Yea Curtis and 3 years later they were all back buying new machines and during that 3 years replacing cheap power supplies and hard drives and reinstalling the OS how many times? Time is money and my time is valuable to me. How about yours?
Apple on the other hand is a hardware co. first and developed an OS to integrate nicely with their hardware. Not a hodgepodge of parts from the lowest bidder, with an OS that hasn't the slightest clue how to play nicely with it's hardware and peripherals. You know how many power failures I've had in 15 years of Mac ownership? None. You know how many hard drive failures? None.
Seeing most Mac people keep there machine for 5-7 years an more. Seeing that Macs newest OS Tiger (which has had all these new Vista feature for going on 2 years now) runs great on old G3 machines and keeps improving performance on these old machines with every OS update. Apple's future OS "Leopard" scheduled for release in a couple month will set the bar even higher for MS and still has backwords compatibility to 8 year old G4 Macs. Does Vista do all that?
NOW DID THAT PC WITH WINDOWS REALLY COST LESS?
CANCEL OR ALLOW?.....YOU ARE COMING TO A SAD REALITY
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Okay I had to chime in. I have Vista, which I know some of you don't. And, I don't see all of these terrible, throw your machine out the window, flaws that some of you are speaking of. It works great on my two year old computer. And the "cancel or allow?" issue that every one seems to have a big problem with, isn't even that big of a deal. In fact, in day to day use you might be lucky if you see it once. It only seems to appear when you are installing new software or if you are trying alter system files. Which I'm glad it does. Every once in a while you will see it when you are searching the internet and you come across some unknown site. I would much rather be prompted that some system is trying to access my computer, than to not know about it and possibly get some malicious program unknowingly installed on to my computer. So many people complain about the safety issues of earlier Windows OS’s, and when Microsoft does something to fix it, people complain about that. And all because a Mac commercial tells you to. Are we that gullible? I mean it’s supposed to be a humorous commercial, I’m not sure we are supposed to take is so seriously. You got to give to Mac, It seems to be working. It just goes to show you the power of advertising.
-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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I'm a Mac convert but I gotta throw in a good word for the PC side here since Joe Sciury brought it up.
The only reason PC users ever have hardware problems is when *THEY CHOOSE* to purchase inferior hardware or hardware from companies that write lousy drivers (which are almost ALWAYS the budget-minded vendors).
There's PLENTY of high end hardware available for PC's and there's plenty of PC builders that test out different combinations of hardware to find the most reliable and stable (not all hardware likes to co-exist with each other) and that's what makes the difference. It also puts the price of a solid PC right on-par with the price of a Mac, it's always been that way.. except these days the Macs are actually a little cheaper than a PC with equivalant *quality* hardware (not just going by specifications and numbers).
These days Apple has ditched the proprietary hardware and now their systems are mostly Off-The-Shelf hardware that would work in either Macs or PCs. Granted, it's all very high quality hardware like Intel processors, Seagate hard drives, Mat****a optical drives, Crucial/Micron RAM, ATI or nVidia video cards, etc. Problem is most computer users do settle on price, just like car buyers, sign buyers, etc.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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All I know is that I have 3 PC's in my shop that are 7 years old and still going strong running the plotters and imagesetter. Yeah, they're slow but they don't make my plotters run any faster.
I have the same PC in my home that I've had since 1996. And from time to time, I've upgraded the motherboard/cpu or this and that on my own without assistance.
The only problems I've ever had is when a hard-drive died or a power supply went bad. When it did, I just hopped over to the nearest Staples, got what I needed and was back up and running in no time.
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Mac or PC isn't that simple. A good machine that works is what you need. I'm surfing the web, listening to music & downloading movies over WiFi on my macbookpro at home. Running an early Dell with Windows 3.X hooked up to a Gerber sprocketfed at work. As long as I keep the viruses away that little machine keeps humpin'. When I buy my new machine to build a recording studio it'll be a Mac.
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I have a PC & am sick of the crashing & non compatibility.
I will be trying a Mack Next.
I'm sure I ...........(error#-shi7!@#%?! user exited unexpectedly... Windows terminal error. Please unplug tower & create a more unstable environment.. or contact Bill Gates @ 1-800-money-pig. NOTE - can we continue to send you non-windows product worms with your automatic updates? Y-yes N-yes)
-------------------- Michael R. Bendel Bendel Sign Co,. Inc. Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 913 | From: Sauk Rapids, MN | Registered: Jul 2005
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Well, here's what I'm going to do. I'll stick with Mac. I really didn't know it would get this deep. I haven't had internet for about 3 years and this was my first time on the bullboard. Next topic.....paper or plastic!
I got the I-Mac back and $300 Later, Flexi pulls up but says the hardware key cannot be found. Can anybody help me on that? I was supposed to do a couple of trucks today, but can't get running and of course all other businesses are closed.
-------------------- Ron Bingham Bingham Signs 402 S. Prairie Russell ,Ia. Posts: 10 | From: Russell ,Iowa | Registered: Feb 2007
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