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Von Dutch is my hero! Magoo, you are undoubtedly a close second. You said it all!.....and S.D.......you should just go away now and play in the snow or something!
quote:I'm also tired of hearing how business is bad while sitting on your dupa and how cold calls are against your statagy to make ends meet or how going out of your town is out of the question while those from out of town invade yours. The questions go on and on and yet the answers are always the same.
Hmmm...maybe I'll just go roll myself a big doobie and ponder this pearl of wisdom.
quote:as far as my work is concerned, I'm retired and don't do signs anymore
No...you just make money from selling a book about a dead man. And come on here to stir the pot now and again.
quote:Von Dutch (Kenny Howard) was an exception to all the standard rules. He was know world over for his talents and exploits. He hated money and all that it brought into life. He was extremely inventive and a master of pinstriping, signs, art, mechanics, guns and knives. The exploiting of his name on fashion items must have him turning over in his grave….he would have hated it.
My point exactly.
quote:and before someone goes there, what the hell's wrong w/living the way he(Dutch) did?
Who said that? All we said was the bus looked like a rat. I hope Steve can fix it up, and that would be great. And at least it was purchased by someone who paints.
quote:all i got to say ....STEVE D. you probably have a t-shirt with VON DUTCH on it....AND BELIVE THAT HE IS A CLOTHING DESIGNER....i been to nova soctia, dallhousie and campbelton, mocton & st johns............THERE IS NO ART THERE!!!! ONLY SNOW AND COLD AND JULY FOR SUMMER!!!!!! ...since you have no idea who von dutch is or what a diamond reo is(this was his pickup truck) then WHY IN THE HEEL DID YOU EVEN POST HERE!!!! that livin in an igloo gettin to you???????????? as for your car WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT IT....YOU ARENT KNOW PAST THE EDGE OF YOUR TOWN.... now just stop bein a A.H.
This, from someone who posted a photo of himself in a Von Dutch T-Shirt and a Speedo?
Fight nice, boys. Love...Jill
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So, is Steve Kafka's efforts to restore the Von Dutch bus very different from the efforts that were made at meets to help secure the work of Rick Glawson in last few years?
They are significant and without them, the history of the creators becomes less easy to see. Any efforts to see that history preserved and passed on should be welcomed before these items are lost for all time. Rapid
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Jill(beans): If you can remember back that far, you'll note that I started this post about the sale of Von Dutch's bus! It then snowballed into grade-school opinions of the value of a man's place in history. As usual, this board gets derailed by a few who like to hear themselves and their know-nothing grade school opinions on things they know little or nothing about. You know who you are, and everyone else knows who you are. Those of you who fall into this category need to get busy at the eisel and make a buck instead of wasting your time quoting (and mindlessly commenting) on what is ultimately a waste of energy and time.
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sorry, i don't post here ofter..but this is too good to pass up...i know steve kafka and he is a very talented, competent artist..but, as one striper said to me..."if he was around in the early 1900's. he would have been a snake oil salesman"...i must go now for i am not retired and do not have unlimited time to expound my theories on the contributions of people, who happened to be at the right place and the right time, have made to my craft...thanks
-------------------- George Williams Pinstriping By George Lascassas, TN Posts: 40 | From: lascassas, tn. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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...since you have no idea who von dutch is or what a diamond reo is(this was his pickup truck) then WHY IN THE HEEL DID YOU EVEN POST HERE!!!! jill this is what you should read.....the above quote. my posting of me in speedos and VONDUTCH t shirt....was just what it was....and i didnt buy the shirt ...some got it for me as a bday present. I WOULDNT EVER SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE SHIRTS...it was a clothing statement....i would no more wear the VD tshirt as dress then i would SPEEDOS... i didnt know the man, but for an AMERICAN ARTIST he is one of the few we have that made a hugh impact on a lot of people. hes right there with ed roth, geo barris,and a few more....these people are who ALL AUTO ART PEOPLE see as the fathers of that type of artwork. am with bob, joey, frank...steven d need to get out in the world as soon as possible.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I have traveled to every Province and State in North America and I mean every one, including the NWT. is that getting out in the world enough for you?
Mr Burns! you asked myself to go away and play in the snow!
Not a problem as you will remember that most of the inventions of today came from this little Provincial area.... Alexander Bell/ Marconie....
Hell even Ketch-Up was invented here.
So you see that if this great artist 'Von Dutch' bus was anything useful to society then I like to know about it! As a member and director of the Inventors Society of Nova Scotia...
I love helping others forfill their ideas with my artistic talent.... with hopes and dreams..
Please spare myself with the lower than comments.
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Magoo, you deserve some sort of award for your efforts to keep this post headed in the right direction, you're some sort of helmsman! Some folks are clueless about the importance of the restoration and that's understandable not everybody on here is a pinstriper or a gearhead. Anybody that is, well, they get it. I was into cars at a very early age, buying Hot Rod magazines when I was ten years old or so.I was well aware of Von Dutch years before I even thought about picking up a brush.
Somebody help me out here but I seem to remember one of the rod magazines had an aricle a number of years ago, on the most influential people in hot rod history. They listed ten or so people and Von Dutch was in there. Von Dutch was unique in that he is unquestioned as the originator of "modern pinstriping". Who was the first to put muliple carburetors on a car??? Who was the first to chop a top??? Who was the first to throw a spitball??? Whatever he was like in real life, it really doesn't matter, he got the ball rolling and a ton of us are in his debt. To hear Alton Gillispie is going to do the restoration is really great news!
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We (well, my husband and his partner) have a little Von Dutch item here as well. It's from a deal they brokered which they are doing a sympathetic restoration on. It's currently out of the shop but should be back this week. I'll post a pic when it comes back and a little history as well.
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I personally could care less about "Von Dutch", but I believe in Kenny Howard.
We have all travelled down a road that needed more definition, but only a few of us have ever walked away from the experience by saying..."I did that!"
I have some old vehicles parked in my yard too....but that doesn't make me important. The point that Bob is trying to make, to all the pilgrims in the world, is that Ken did something important, at a time when being unusual was, well you know, not normal.
It took alot of courage to be different, to show your "colors", to be art-oriented.
"Von Dutch" suceeded because he didn't care what other people thought.
How's that for a bowlful?
Ask Burns...
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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Chinese is on Burns this time. I was starting to think it was Frank's turn but I think he is busy.
I'll be waiting in the garage, OK?
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This guy walks into a Councilling Center. "Doc! Ya fat, old bald bastard! My Friends and Family think I need to talk to an overpriced asshole like you. I have some problems making friends."
I don't get it. Bob makes a post about a Man and a Period in History that is of great interest to many of us in Letterville. Stephen comes along and trashes the discussion, insinuates we have no taste. As a result, a good discussion deteriates into a useless dicussion that finally settles on the orgin of ketchup. Give us a break!
Kenny Howard, Ed Roth and the other characters that originated in the 60s are just as important as The Ventures, Beach Boys and other events that define a period many of us grew up in. Some readers may not even have been born yet, but whatever happened to showing a bit of respect for your elders?
Let me remind you all one more time. We may all live in different countries and/or cultures, but when we come together here in Letterville, and live meets, we put all that other stuff off to the side and join together as Letterheads.
I'm hoping the "Red Thong" will sell for big bucks in another hundred years. Now that's art!
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quote:I'm hoping the "Red Thong" will sell for big bucks in another hundred years. Now that's art!
Just so long as it has the original skidmarks!!!
-------------------- Drane Signs Sunshine Coast Nambour, Qld. dranesigns@bigpond.com Downunder "To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer" Posts: 965 | From: Nambour, Qld. Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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I think it is Awesome that Kafka is the owner now of Dutch's bus!If anyone is going to preserve History then I'm sure it is in good hands.As a Striper/Airbrush Artist Dutch is one of my mentors .We need these icons and as crude as some of their work was he was legendary and helped to set in motion the fabric ,the soul,and the spirit, that many of us Custom Painters used as a foundation for our own artistic existence. Ron.
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Bruce, don't you go gettn' me any deeper than I'm already...ya, let Burns do it, I'm broke, wawawawawawawawaaaaaaaaaaa...
Jeff: jus' gotta let slip your bluegrass fun eh? I'm so green, another wawawawawawawaaaaaaaaa...
Thanks Mayor: yayayayayayaaaaaaaaaa...
Curtis: hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
Bruce: you still in the garage? nananana...
For real now; I know there was a wooden, handcraved sign of the eyeball that, correct me here Bob if wrong, hung from side of the bus when parked for any period, that I would like to find and inquire as to it's status, if anyone were to run across that, and it's not hard to miss, I believe it was about 4-5' tall and about 12-15' long(or more), I'd appreciate a call, or eliminate the middleman, steal an ol mans pleasure and call Kafka yourself about it...lol
BTW, feeling slightly better than two weeks ago, thanks all, returning to ongoing post now, brrrrr,blisssttt, busserrisd, pringgggg.....bye
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Frank: There was a wooden sign on the back below the window the full width of the bus with a 3 dim. cut-out"VON DUTCH" lettering logo on it. Don't know what happened to it! Either the Bruckers or Nic Cage probly has it hidden away!
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Damn, it's cold in here... My coffee just froze.
Where heck is that Burns guy. Sheesh. His tires probably froze to the street. I knew I should have gotten Meyer and his trusty ol' Studebaker to get a ride.
Damn, it's cold in here...
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
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i received a pm from frank magoo and he asked me to please respond..the only way i know to do it is in this forum...frank..i have worked with steve on several occasions and had dinner with him a couple of times..i'm sure you're aware he's a great promoter and a good artist...the remark was said in fun and was not meant to inflect on his character...he has done well with his kool ties, brushes, vector art, artwork and other venues he has pursued..i'm sure he'll do well with this..as far as other stripers mentioned, i don't feel it right to involve them in what has obviously struck a nerve...i'm sure you and other stripers have had bull sessions discussing their personal likes and dislikes of others in the profession..that is where that came from...as for the retired part, that was directed to the fact that some people are probably justifiably proud of their ability to retire and maybe that was just sour grapes to me...thank you for your professionalism in your response and i do respect your loyalty to your friend and craft...having spent 30+ years in the business, i just do not feel this particular item justifies a great place in history but with the right promotion and restoration anything is possible...thanks again for your reply
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"i received a pm from frank magoo and he asked me to please respond"...
Thank you George for second response, it said volumes...
Man's honest, can't fault that...thanks for clearing up my question George, feel better already...
30+ years? Sounds like you're one of us!!! lol (ol fart)
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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I was coerced by a close friend to set things straight regarding some opinions that some may have about Von Dutch and myself. Dutch and I were friends since 1954, but particularly after his move to Arizona in 1969 until his death in 1992. Much has been said and written about Von Dutch.....mostly by those who never met him. The ones that DID meet him usually saw only his "rougher" side. Of course, I was witness to much of that, but I also knew him as a husband and father and as a good provider for his family. The best part of Dutch was not just his abilities as a craftsman, but as a friend to those he liked. He was one of the funniest people I ever knew. Our friendship was close enough that in 1987 he signed over the rights to the flying eyeball logo to me. His health by that time was beginning to go 'south'. After his death, his daughters sold his name to the clothing people (VON DUTCH ORIGINALS). I guess they assumed they also bought the FLYING EYEBALL, but Dutch had legally given it to ME. The lawyers are into it now.
Some people on this board are of the opinion that I'm in this VON DUTCH thing for the money. Well I havent made a dime! The book I'm responsible for is self-published and a work of love, not the buck! You cant make money on a DTP bankroll. VON DUTCH ORIGINALS however, is a $300 million dollar company illegally using a logo that belongs to ME! And BTW, Dutch's widow never got a dime from them. I also keep a website on Dutch, all at my own expense.
So, like my friend Von Dutch, I don't really care what anyone thinks about any of this, but it's the truth from the horses mouth. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT!
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Out of curiosity did any of you ever see a video of Dutch being interviewed by Ed Roth and filmed by Bob Spina.It's a couple hours long !Just an Incredible video. Ron. www.gibbsairbrush.com
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Bob,Bob Spina gave me an original Beta format copy and I had it put on DVD.I really think anyone would be hardpressed to find a better interview with Von Dutch. Ron.
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