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Patrick Wedel
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I am using Flexi-Pro 7.6 with a VersaCamm SP300V. I have been using VersaWorks for RIP & output, but have been having problems with my gradients. I want to RIP and print from Flexi and see what results I get, but I am getting too heavy ink. The prints are DARK. I have tried using the same icc profile in Flexi as VersaWorks, but that didn't work. Same thing. Here are some screenshots of my settings. Any suggestions? I have no files to add for Linearization.
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Patrick Wedel
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well I have one suggestion... back the resolution down to 720x720.

That should be more then enough for 99% of any prints required in a sign shop.

I have a Mimaki & I rip through Flexi.

I did try 1440x1440 twice when I wanted to see if I could eliminate noticable steps in an odd gradient that wouldn't smooth out for me.

I was very surprised how much darker the print was, so I noticed your resolution & thought it a good test to try reducing it.

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Thanks, Doug. I have only 2 options there - 720x1440 or 1080x1080. They both produce the same results. However, I am learning. Apparently, the Linearization Table is key. All of my limits were set to 100%. It was this way with every profile I loaded, even any generic one. I found that by backing these limits way down,
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I can get way better results. But my question is am I the only one who is having problems with this? I spoke with a lady at Roland, and she said the Table is built into their profile. Seems Flexi has trouble importing these values. She couldn't give me any precise values for the profile. But, like I said, every profile I have tried is 100% across the board. I'm sure if I called SA, they would tell me: #1: you need to get Flexi 8, and #2: we can't help you tinkering with a profile. Has anybody else run into this?

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reduce your limits is good.

Same thing with my encads. Higher limits meant darker prints. Lowe rlimits made lighter prints. Sometimes the higher limits would lay so much ink in the blacks it would amostt run..

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You could also try changing your OUTPUT PROFILE, I have an SP300 running with Flexi 7.5 and found that by changing output profiles the darkness of the prints would change.You may want to jot down your current setting so you can get back to it if you want.

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Banding in Fades is very common when the Fade is created in a Vector Program. The reason Being is a Vector fade Consists of 1000s of individual Colors so when you rip it with a CMYK printer you will get the banding when a color is not in range of the printer.
If you do your fades in a Photoshop program it creates the fade as a continuous tone and you should not get any banding.
If you have to create in a vector try printing from a PDF.
Heres how we do it.
Create your basic shapes in in your Vector program (Ours is Signlab) including your final cutline. Now depending on size of the artwork we'll make a duplicate and scale it down to a reasonable size.
Then export the layers into photoshop and apply the fades and any other eyecandy so we have the finished sign, then save it as a PSD or Tiff.
We export the CutPath into Illustrator and apply our CutPath color/stroke. Import the PSD file and postion it in your CutPath. Then save as an EPS, then open in Versaworks Rip and Print...
Sounds time consuming but after you do it a few times it goes by very Quickly. It took me longer to type this then it would take to apply the cutpath in Illustrator.

Hope this helps.

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quote:

You could also try changing your OUTPUT PROFILE, I have an SP300 running with Flexi 7.5 and found that by changing output profiles the darkness of the prints would change.You may want to jot down your current setting so you can get back to it if you want.
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I have tried that. The problem is that Flexi always keeps the same linearazation values I last entered or defaults to 100. I understand that Flexi 8 has a color profiler wizard that is supposed to set your ink limits for you. Grrrrrr.

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Patrick Wedel
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Me again! The original Question Box!

First, I found that by downloading a icc profile from Oracal at their website, it has solved some of my problems. They are complete presets with their own ink limit settings. Neat.

OK, now......

Is it possible to print, laminate, reload & contour cut from Flexi to a VersaCamm? The VersaWorks manual says you have to make your crop marks with VersaWorks only. How do you guys that use Flexi exclusively to Rip & print do it? Or don't you contour cut at all?

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