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When I visit the show, I'll ask the Chanfeng Rep. how many child labor hours it takes to build one of these things.
"Chinese factories have the latest machine tools and assembly robots, plus the benefit of an extraordinarily low wage structure: less than $2 an hour, compared with about $28 an hour in U.S. plants." (quote from topix.net)
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I want one in yellow; I think that would be appropriate. Pat, I think you can look for Wal-Mart to definately be a prime vendor for these. My appologies to Chapman for posting to an off topic.
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quote:Originally posted by Tim Whitcher: When I visit the show, I'll ask the Chanfeng Rep. how many child labor hours it takes to build one of these things.
Ask someone from GM or Ford. They've been investing heavily in China for a very long time.
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They're all suspect. Chrysler just signed a deal with Chery Automotive (China). I've got no problem with foreign cars, as long as they are not from Police States. Guess I'll buy me a classic '70 muscle car, instead.
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All I've got to say is, "Do we really need another automobile company out there?". I find it quite amusing on how people get so excited about anything shiny and new. If my 91 Toyota PU was at the show and in the same tip top condition, up on a turntable with lights and music all around it, it would look just as good.
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Americans are pretty brand-loyal and real fickle when it comes to their cars. Unless this Chinese thing is sold under a badge that's well-known to Americans, or it offers something super-innovative, it simply will not sell in the US.
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I'm curious as to why after splashing the front pages of papers nationwide w/the news (China's cloning of American cars), that the big three haven't said anymore about China's blatant copying of all American auto parts, their building clones of cars that already exist and which are supposedly protected from such by law and are going to sell them in this country too....HMMMM
I respect the Chinese greatly, I don't hold against them their quest to reach into their future, but I do hold OUR officals responsible for all the lying and cheating they've done and still can't keep this type of crap from happening, all it would take is a strong stance and China's not stupid, they've been ally to us for along time and we've saved their buckets before and for a time they showed appreciation of that, but lately our foreign policies are letting this crap happen all over and w/more repetiveiness than normally seen...
But I'm worried about nothing for I'm true blue American and enjoy fact on our roads my American Chevrolet makes life miserable for ANY import...in all categories, I outrun em, out perform em, outlast em, and most importantly, I don't spend a poopwad of money on em...AND, I'm not guilty of being party to demise of American values and worth...
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Come on Frank, you know my "imported" truck (yeah yeah my mazda is just a ford) has more primer on it than your ride! And pretty soon it's gonna have cooler tail lights too!
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Alas You people don't remember the Honda days? What a time they had trying to get into the North American Industry! But now you have Hyundai from Korea.
Interesting post about what can be produced.
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I suppose the hardest working car co out there has to be KIA...can't imagine any American vets buying that one right off...(KIA was/IS term to signify "killed in action"), a military term and I assume, medical too...not exactly what I'd name my car...but as alluded to earlier, I don't drive "rice", pure and simple...
I'd imagine Honda's problem getting work over here is somewhat related to relationship I have w/products from Vietnam, I don't buy them or even look at buying them, doesn't seem right to step over American graves to have something I don't really need in the first place...other than rice, they don't have anything else to offer...this isn't prejudice, it's natural to be standoffish to past enemies...which I am, I well remember the carnage and why, nope, won't see me in a KIA or eating rice from Nam...
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HAHAHA, good point, for us, for them it's still business as usual, don't believe that? Go to China and spout off like that there, you'll end up in a really cold, concrete room and little if any light...you see Stephen, not all the world is as enlightened as the western hemisphere and don't buy into turn the other cheek program...I do agree that the next car should be something like that, but then won't the bears contact the ACLU and complain they've been shortchanged???? (jus' can't win bro, it's ordained)
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Let's see....hmm...which would I rather buy?
2007 Ford Mustang ....available V6, stylish interior, nice lines and a cool retro look. 2008 Dodge Challenger ...muscle car, best retro look yet, destined to be a classic. 2008 Chevrolet Camaro ...tons of style, plenty of power under the hood, a classic car born again.
or 2008 Changfeng Cheetah .... umm...looks like Sarah's "Little Tikes" car in the storage shed and has the same percentage of plastic parts, a front nose that looks like the red Mighty Morphin Power Ranger, probably couldn't pass a fart downhill and looks like it should have a pull string on the trunk.
Having a 2007 Mustang V6 in the driveway... ...$19,115
Adding the Pony package for good measure... ...$1,195
Going to bed at night knowing you didn't contribute to jobs being lost to the modern equivalent of slavery... ...priceless.
There are some things money can't buy. For everything else there's Walmart.
sheesh.... Rapid
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Frank good point. I started my trade with gentleman that were my tutors in life of graphics.... One gentleman was from China and the other from Korea... Amazing what you learn from others of different cultures.
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Stephen; cool, I too experienced persons of other ethnic groups and cultures at an early age and, heheheh, definitely influenced by them...like you, one Chinese, one Japanese, many Mexicans, equal or greater amount of Navajo and Hopi Indians, one Congolese, a Cech(can't remember how to spell it,lol)...
All brought into the mix their cultural attitudes and traditions, great education for me, as Mom had always raised us kids to be free thinkers and not be baised to anything different, a quality I've tried to nuture the rest of my life...not always easy, but doable if properly regimented, some remote instances just have to be dealt w/on a eye to eye basis, not all, mind you, but for the most part, it's a glide...
Hey, got to tell ya, blue marble remark sure is a thought provoker, heheh...
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I have 2 American vehicles, 1 German vehicle and 1 Japanese vehicle. I'd drive all of them at once if I could. Of the 2 American vehicles, 1 is pure which means not one speck of foreign parts in it or on it and is made up of either original or NOS parts, fuel for it is 12 bucks a gallon. For Christmas I bought myself a new Scion box, great gas mileage even at 80mph, rides well but not comfortable like my Mercedes and yet doesn't shake the ground like my 64. Of all the vehicles I have, neither can pull the 66 SilverStreak 26ft trailer. Oh well I'm thinking of getting a Kenworth to pull everything and then I'll become king of the road
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I have been chewing on my Ford Ranger V6 for 5 years and just digested the payment in full. Now that it's paid off and held up so well after 105K miles, I'm planning on getting Celeste a new car for her birthday. The Mustang went to the top of the list quickly.
Deciding factors...
1: Practical. Not as powerful as the highly promoted GT model, but enough to fit her driving needs and better on gas mileage. 2: Reliable. The Ford V6 has a track record. From personal experience, I've gotten the most miles from the Fords I've owned over the years, as have most people I've talked to who own them. I've bought "first year model" cars in the past and had to deal with recalls, unseen maintenance costs...even had one catch fire because of poor engine design...and would rather buy something with a solid history behind it. 3: Appealing. Bells and whistles aside, the base package is still a good looking, well built car. (Pony package is an option.) 4: Cost. Admittedly, the look is a personal choice, but finding a car out there that is as visually appealing usually costs a whole lot more. The new Camaro and Challenger V6 base packages will be about $5K more. Access to parts for regular maintenance and/or repairs over the long term is generally less costly and easier to obtain over foreign models in most cases.
No different than what we do as sign makers, you get what you pay for...and WHO you pay for. I'd rather buy from a car manufacturer with experience than the new "lowballing quicky stikker price" dealer that just opened any day.
"Can you really eat that $20,000 dollar car?" I guess it comes down to... You are what you're willing to eat.
Rapid
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quote:Originally posted by Ray Rheaume: Going to bed at night knowing you didn't contribute to jobs being lost to the modern equivalent of slavery... ...priceless.
I guess you didn't read my post. FWIW, I have a Chevy pickup. Made in Louisiana. Profits invested in China.
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In the "Honda" days, there was something called "Import Taxes", very high Import Taxes. Anyways, the reason the Big Three don't speak out about Chinese corporate skull-duggery is the fact they've all made or are making deals with China right now to produce cars for them. Chrysler will begin importing cars for sale under the Chrysler name for model year 2008; and will also be selling four Daimler designed models in China the same year.
Hard for U.S. workers to compete with $2.00 an hour, no benefits, no retirement packages, no 401k, no worker's rights, no OSHA, no EPA, etc., etc.
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quote: "I've got no problem with foreign cars, as long as they are not from Police States."
Police State - A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic , and political life of the people, especially by means of a secret police force. Police states do not often refer to themselves in this manner, as the classification is often established by an internal whistle-blower or external critic. The use of term is motivated as a response to the laws, policies and actions of that regime, and is often used pejoratively to describe the regime's concept of the social contract, human rights, and similar matters.
quote: Hard for U.S. workers to compete with $2.00 an hour, no benefits, no retirement packages, no 401k, no worker's rights , no OSHA, no EPA, etc., etc.
...which , IMHO, is "the modern equivalent of slavery".
Food for thought.... Have a great day. Rapid
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Ray, I don't know if you've ever owned a Mustang but, if not, add to your list: 5. Handling. I've never driven a car (except a Porsche) that handles better and feels more stable than my mustangs. 6. Resale Value. You can expect to lose only about $1,000 a year. Granted, if you buy new you're going to take a serious hit right off to bat but I'm talking about if you keep it for 5 years or so.
BTW, I highly recommend the convertible option!!
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FORD started to mass produce the model 'T' in black only because during that era at that time it was the cheapest paint to use for the customers to buy his vehicles! Saying that he created a low cost item. Under bidding his rivals.
Now a new market starts up in the 21st century and you like to call it slave labour?
Sorry to me it is called enterprise.
Lets see the final outcome of the product
The people of China are not stupid and will ask for their worth in life as they grow into the new industrial age!
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Stephen, I think you were right the first time. This is the Chinese Industrial Age, and as history is our teacher, a new industrial age with no checks and balances means big trouble. Are you familiar with the "Robber Barons" in U.S. history? It took nearly a century to end major corruption and develop worker's rights in this country.
When the last decent American job leaves the country, will someone please turn the lights out?
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with all do respect to you. No I have not heard of the Robber Barons case...
But I have seen new markets in Canada that open up called 'WallyWorlds' and will dump millions of dollar into a new site to open...
And many times the employees will ask to unionize the location for fair and better wages. Plus what little they can get for a health plan.
As soon as this is mentioned! BOOM! the doors are closed and the company moves elsewere. The man at the top is only thinking about lining his pocket with Silver and Gold and the poor man at the bottom has to feed and live on RICE!
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