posted November 08, 2006 10:47 PM
This can't be happening... My daughter Sara (almost 15 Nov. 19th) likes this guy from her church youth group. He is 6'2 or more and weighs about 120lbs. soaking wet. He's also a drummer in a local band. I won't let her car date yet but they see each other at church, at football games, and other group functions. I'm not handling this very well and need advice on how to cope with this part of being the "Dad".
I even broke down and did some vinyl logo thing on his bass drum head. I hope this is just a passing faze and he will be yesterday's news before the holidays. But she is getting pretty serious. She is a freshman and he is a Senior at a different school about 5 miles away.
The worst part is she's a straight A student and never gets in trouble. The attitude thing is the hardest to deal with lately. Anyone have a teenage daughter that can shine some light on this situation??? I could use any tips you might have. I feel like my dad... I went to hear his band and I can't stand that noise they call music! Ha! I played in a few bands in my 20's so I have reasons to be concerned!! What happened to music that rocked? I'm really feeling old today. So I'm still at work and ready to go home. I just finished 14 hours so I'll call it a day. Looking forward to great Letterhead advice tomorrow morning.
Sign-cerely, Steve
-------------------- Steve Luck Sign Magic Inc. 2718-b Grovelin Godfrey, Illinois 62035 (618)466-9120 signmagic@sbcglobal.net Posts: 870 | From: 2718-b Grovelin Godfrey, Illinois 62035 | Registered: Dec 2004
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posted November 08, 2006 11:11 PM
My daughter Rebecca came home with a young man almost 10 years ago. It wasn't long until he came hat in hand to ask for permission to marry my only daughter. As part of a long discussion I queried him as to his long term goals... and he answered me with a straight face that he wanted to be a ROCK STAR. His day job between gigs was in a restaurant a cook's helper.
Janis & I were concerned and we plainly stated our views encouraging them to take things slow. We also stated our intention to support them no matter what they chose to do.
While I was tempted to do any of a hundred things I instead remembered back to when this skinny little kid of 19 proposed to a young girl of only 18. I answered those same questions and concerns to her parents who only wanted the best for their daughter. That skinny young kid wanted passionately to be an artist... a scary proposition for Janis' parents who were conservative accountants. My day job was working in a grocery store stocking shelves.... not exactly a long term career. When Janis & I started dating I was 17 and she only 16... but it was true love from the very start.
I remembered back over the years as they welcomed me into their family. They bit their lip so many times as we ignored or disregarded the opinions and advice they gently offered. And I remembered how they loved and supported us no matter what our decision. Because in part of their support and encouragement Janis & I are still happily together after 32 years being married.
Phoenix married our daughter Rebecca and its been a little more than 9 years. I've gotten over my fears. A career in music hasn't worked out as of yet for him. But he loves Rebecca dearly and we love and support them no matter how they decide to do things in their family just as Janis' folks did for us.
My advice is to bring him close rather than drive them away. He might stick around or not... But either way you would know whats going on. Don't drive your daughter AWAY from you to him.
Don't over react.... she's only 15.
-grampa dan
[ November 09, 2006, 02:04 AM: Message edited by: Dan Sawatzky ]
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posted November 09, 2006 12:11 AM
show him your shotgun collection
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posted November 09, 2006 12:22 AM
Steve..Go with the flow and keep a close watch.
Discouraging a young teen relationship will just fuel it. "Forbidden Fruit and all that"
Just allow the relationship to run it's course. It will either fizzle out in a couple of months or it will end up being a long term relationship.
Welcome to parenthood.
If you have done your job correctly, your daughter will quickly decide for herself whether the boyfriend is a good one or not.
Been there and done that with Shirley and her daughter.
Toughest stuff Shirl and I have ever endured.
Bottom line for us is, her daughter and the love of her life (since age 15) have now been married almost 20 years, have 3 great kids and are as happy as 5 bugs in a rug.
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
Like they said, don't be the bummer. You want to be the one she CAN turn to. She's growing up, do what you can to keep it good, and trust God with the rest. Be grateful for her, fear will only unleash the negative.
posted November 09, 2006 02:46 AM
My step-daughter is 15.5 and wants to have all of the freedoms and privileges of a 20 year old. We have found the best approach is honesty, even when she is not honest with us we stay the course! We live in hope that eventually she will realise that it is actually easier to tell the truth than get caught out and suffer the consequences of the lies. Be oh so grateful that your daughter is open and honest about who she is seeing. Parenting is never easy and there are no manuals on what to do. Follow your gut instincts and remember to tell your daughter that you have rules because you love her and want her to be safe and happy. The attitude thing.....it's all part of growing up and testing the waters!
-------------------- Anne McDonald 17 Karnak Crescent Russley Christchurch 8042 New Zealand
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posted November 09, 2006 03:50 AM
Eeeeuwwww....Steve.....
there are some assorted good replies above, but I'm in your shoes too, at the moment, in a sense!
Our eldest daughter is 15 1/2 and has lately been 'holding hands' with another boy, a 14 year old from school- oooh gosh. We only found out as she dobbed her younger brother in for doing the same thing, and he retaliated by telling on her. The respective other halves are nice kids, but we had a talk to them and said that we had no problems whatsoever with them having a great friendship, but to keep their hands to themselves at that age- they have the rest of their life to endure relationships, but at 15, school & exams needs priority in their life, not the distractions of young love & boyfriends, let alone what he's going to feel if she inadvertently led him along & later broke his heart...
It's hard. I had a chat with his parents too, and they feel the same way as we do- not to be discouraging per se, but to put the brakes on & focus on priorities for the moment.
What doesn't help me,is she's a good looking sensible blonde who half the highschool boys have a bit of a crush on!
For most of her life, horses & their training, plus athletics/running have been her focus & boyfriends have taken only a peripheral glance! (she's won numerous riding competitions, draught horse driving comps, led-in & parading comps, as well as making it as a representative to state athletics).
So, Steve, have you got any horses?!?
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posted November 09, 2006 06:37 AM
I shouldn't worry about it, I had a very strict upbringing Benedictine monk boarding school, strict military father, anti long hair anti drugs, thought anything other than a military career was a mistake, I have long hair used to take all sorts of substances, worked in the music business for years, but still turned out Ok today, don't drink smoke or take mind altering substances....shame I miss the latter.
I have 4 great kids from 17 to 2, our eldest who just turned 17 met a guy in the summer at a medieval festival, he is 22 and out of work, lives close to his mother, and never says much, my first thought was this was going nowhere, and tried to put the dampers on things, ended up that she told us that she was in town at the library studying and would be sleeping over with a friend, truth came out that he had travelled down the 3 hours it takes to get to us and they had slept over at a friends. She was really sad and upset that she had lied to us, she just wanted to meet him.
Now they meet at our place, sleep in the same bed, and we know whats going on, she's been through all the birthcontrol issues here both from the state service here and from us.
He's just got a job on the gaspipelines up in Norway, so we'll see how things develop.
We've all been there, don't forbid things, be open with your kids, always let them know they can discuss ANYTHING at home without fear or retribution, and I'm sure they'll turn out well. Emma does really well in school, and that continues.... I don't want to be like my dad!!
posted November 09, 2006 07:11 AM
"I feel like my dad... I went to hear his band and I can't stand that noise they call music!"
I remember my dad coming out when I played drums in my band and tolerating that "loud music". Despite the criticism of the playlists, the important thing is that he went. He knew that it meant a lot to me.
Now I'm in the same place with Gump. He plays in three bands at school, has a steady girlfriend and that little taste of attitude is surfacing...just like mine did at his age. I go to the concerts, too. It's important it is for him to know we support his music efforts and have a genuine interest in what he becomes.
With Gump and Hannah spending more time together, I find myself looking around wishing he was here. It's not jealousy. We have always been close and it's just a change in routine that I have to adjust to.
I guess the best thing you can do is just be there for them as they start testing the waters of becoming an adult. They are going to have their triumphs and tragedies, just like we did, and being there to celebrate the wins or pick them back up when they are down is important to them.
You'll never stop worrying about them because you'll never stop being their parents...but it does get easier as they get older. Rapid
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posted November 09, 2006 07:23 AM
What Dan Said.....
My son is a phenominal drummer (at least I think so and everyone else says so) and he's had the same fantasy - being a pro drummer.
He's also very active in our church - plays in the church contemporary service band...youth group bands (both junior and senior high) as well as active and dedicated to his faith.
He brought home straight A's this last marking period...and isn't into any of the things most parents would worry about...
I guess I'm bragging...but trying to draw a parellel to your story...the guy you describe sounds like a good kid with a dream.
Don't worry - and don't try crushing his dream...or your daughter's.
I have a daughter too and had the same fears and worried constantly that some idiot might take her astray....or she might end up in a bad relationship, etc.
Guess what? We raised her a certain way...and now she's out on her own and is doing fine. We're proud of her...and I now look back and think I shouldn't have been so worried.
What's the verse? "Raise up a child in the way they should go and they won't depart from it?"
Keep a vigilant eye on things - but don't be overly worried. I only had to step in once and put the stops to a young relationship - which was tough - but the right thing to do - with a kid that was charming but had too much baggage.
Only be concerned if you see signs of the possibility of bad crap - this kid sounds completely harmless.
-------------------- Todd Gill Outside The Lines Potterville, MI Posts: 7792 | From: Potterville, MI | Registered: Dec 2001
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posted November 09, 2006 07:43 AM
Hey Steve- welcome to my world. Sometimes it gets bumpy here, hold on she's quite a ride. We have 2 daughters. 14 1/2 and 16 1/2. They have their days, just like we do. I refer to them as them and us as us because some days I think of them as the enemy. No just kidding.
No. 1 rule:keep lines of communication open at ALL times. When she comes home and starts to tell you about where they have been or what they have been doing ask questions. Lots of them. If she doesn't say anything at all- ask a LOT of questions. Just pretend you're nosy like me. Ask who they were with and what they are like and what they like to do. Be wary of new people entering their group of friends. Ask the most questions about them. And then sit back and REALLY HEAR the answers to your questions. Don't start right in on a lecture: well I don't think you should hang around with him/her- say something more along the lines of Hummmm.....he/she doesn't really sound like your type of people, what do you have in common with him/her? You can't TELL them what to do anymore, but you can make them think about their decisions. And steer from a distance. She is getting too old to tell her what to do. That will drive her away. BUT- you have already done your job- let her show you that you have. You'll be plesantly surprised how grown up her decisions are.
Good Luck! And be a fast ducker! Sometimes the verbal assaults are daggers!
-------------------- Deri Russell Wildwood Signs Hanover, Ontario
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posted November 09, 2006 09:56 AM
A lot of good comments, except for Donna's. Not to scare ya Steve, and sorry Donna, but have you ever heard of the BTK killer? If not, google him. I think you should just continue being a good parent and keep an eye on them. If your daughters grades start to fail or she gets out of hand, just put your foot down and ground her. Just don't use the new boyfriend as the excuse
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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posted November 09, 2006 11:34 AM
I want to live, I want to give I've been a miner for a heart of gold. It's these expressions I never give That keep me searching for a heart of gold And I'm gettin' old. Keeps me searching for a heart of gold And Im gettin' old.
I've been to hollywood I've been to redwood I crossed the ocean for a heart of gold Ive been in my mind, its such a fine line That keeps me searching for a heart of gold And Im gettin' old. Keeps me searching for a heart of gold And I'm gettin' old.
Donna is close to the truth. But I'm very reluctant to put my trust in "the church" or anyone when it comes to my kids. Being a "churchgoer" for many years, I've known church people to do some very "surprising" things. I say the only safety can be found in the One you can find down on your knees.
I'm going through the same thing Steve is, with my 18 year-old son and it's keeping me in the prayer closet.
-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7409 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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posted November 09, 2006 02:58 PM
Attraction to the opposite sex is one of the most powerful forces on this planet. All of us stand as living testament to this fact. Eventually, the call of screaming hormones or testosterone will drownd out reasoning, threatening, grounding, demanding, and many other attempts at "control". That's ultimately what this is all about. Attempting to control just when and who our children find attraction to.
If they've arrived at the adolescent, post-puberty stage, hopefully you've done all that you can toward influencing wise choices. Now it's time to trust in whatever knowledge and values that you've imparted. If you've done your job to the best of your ability, and your kids still make a bad choice, that too is part of life, and growing up. Sometimes a bad choice can teach more than mere words or explainations, as life's mistakes tend to hurt. If and when they learn from their mistakes, they'll be far less likley to repeat them, but it's hard to watch one of your own walk headlong into a nasty choice. When they do so, it's then most important to be there for them, with unconditional love and support. Eventually the understanding will come to them, that what you were doing as a parent was trying to shield them from hurt or harm.
There are times when you have to allow them their own mistakes. We certainly made our share. We also have to learn that whatever choices our kids make,lifewise or partnerwise, we have to allow, because to do otherwise would deny them any chance of learning to become their own personna.
-------------------- Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail: kjmlhenry@rogers.com
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You've had 15 years to train her. Now you get to find out how good a teacher you were.
Sit down with her and establish the rules. Make sure the rules are clear and concise. Have her to write them down, sign it and hand it to you. During your meeting, have her decide what the penalties will be if she breaks those rules. You'll be surprised at just how tough kids can make them. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Let her know that your trust is based on how well she follows those rules. And, that as she proves herself trustworthy, privileges will grow accordingly.
Be clear. Be concise. Have faith. Tell her you love her. Stick to the rules.
posted November 09, 2006 04:34 PM
i married a drummer...they have great rhythm but i didn't sleep with him when i was 15...it was someone else. but thats neither here nor there....point is, the more you discourage her to hang with this guy, the more appealing he'll be to her. all you have to do is think back to what you did at that age...scarey aint it? seriously, relax...she'll be fine. keep the lines of communication open and don't put down her boyfriend...all you can do is offer guidence, in a gentle nonthreatening way...and hopefully she'll never find out you wrote about this on a public forum.
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posted November 09, 2006 07:56 PM
I've developed a theory over many years, our eldest daughter is now 31.5 and our youngest are all but 18 year old twins.
it goes a little like this...
at about the age of 12-13 our sweet, polite, darling little daughters get kidnapped by aliens.
in their place are left strange beings who hold no resemblance to what we have nursed, taught and tried to raise up to be whole human beings... and except for tiny fragments or minute glimpses of humanity they stay this way until about 23
boys in my experience are usually abducted at around the 16-17 age bracket, returning again at approximately 24
the reason I have decided that it must be an alien intervention, is because I heard myself say one day that animals behave better than my offspring
so in deference to the animal kingdom, I decided that what was now inhabiting my children's bodies had to be other-worldly
Devo and I held such fears for the loss of potential as our eldest baby girl changed into an entity that had odd opinions, desires and lost most if not all of her mind
while we never wanted to raise robots, believing instead that as parents our primary job was to equip our kids to safely navigate the big bad world, it seemed that our eldest girl was hell bent on intentionally doing the exact opposite of what her father and I wished for her
now I'd agree that our family dynamic may be a little different to the norm... the dad in this house has long hair, rides very large motorcycles and wears tattoo's over most of his body
we prize individuality and encourage the open debate of ideas, spiritual, political and environmental, regardless of a persons age
we don't automatically believe what we are told... just because we are told it
instead we expect every person... even short ones, to form their own ideas based on what is right for them alone, and to activly search for the information they need to form those opinions
but we had serious doubts about our daughter's disisions making skills when she came home with a clean cut, none black T-shirt wearing youth who she lovingly viewed as her hero
Devo and I spent many sleepless nights worried about where she would end up
the story does have a happy ending
our precious girl is now the mother of 7 beautiful short people who call me 'witchy nan' and who refer to Devo as 'smelly ol'rundud'
the eldest of which is 13.5 and resently was sent, by her mother, to spend a few weeks with us... because in our daughters own words 'she is driving me crazy, mum help'
all things come full circle, if you give them enough time
we bought our grand daughter a leather jacket and Devo threw her on the back of the bike to go riding all over our area, she absolutely loved it!
we talked to her about her future (she is a straight A student) and gave her a pool cue with her name on it
I know that by the time she left our place to fly south, she had given some thought to the tattoo she wants for her 18th birthday
it's all good!
in truth the struggle we parents have, is that as we get older we become more and more filled with fear, and our greatest fear is of their fearlessness
cheers gail
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posted November 09, 2006 09:22 PM
Lord Almighty! Steve, run to your church and pray, if this young man plays the drums, he has probably already sold his soul to the devil by now and will probably enslave your daughter in service to Satan... I too have played the evil skins since I was a young heavy metal demon child, at 15 we had ALL the good church going girls getting naked and drinking Jack Daniels at our jam room, which was decorated with Black Sabbath posters and lava lamps. At our practices we usually sacrificed virgins and drank there blood, but kids today have changed... so don't worry.
-------------------- Ken McTague, Concept Signs 57 Bridge St. (route 107) Salem MA 01970 1-978-745-5800 conceptsign@yahoo.com http://www.pinheadlounge.com/CaptainKen
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posted November 09, 2006 10:33 PM
be his best buddy she will dump him.
-------------------- Jimmy Chatham Chatham Signs 468 stark st Commerce, Ga 30529 Posts: 1766 | From: Commerce, GA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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posted November 10, 2006 10:00 AM
My son is a drummer. Doesn't smoke or do drugs and will be graduating with a Masters degree in broadcast and cinematic arts next month. His music is awsome, he's writing and producing his own stuff. He'll make more money in 5 years than I made in a lifetime. Your daughter's drummer may or may not be a bad guy, but if he's not a good guy, it's not because he's a drummer.
Alot of good advise above. Keep the lines of communication open, and accept the fact that your baby girl is growing up. With my daughter, we tried to balance the reigns. Not too tight, but not too loose. She turned out great.
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posted November 10, 2006 06:00 PM
I just knew you all would come through with some great advice and some "creative" examples! This guy is really a good drummer and will be going to college next year to study music and recording engineering. I just wish that they weren't so far apart in school, her being a freshman and him being a senior this year.
I think I played in a band similar to Ken's band in my 20's! Glad that's over. I will continue to keep the communication line open with my daughter. Thanks everyone. Gotta go buy a shotgun!
Sign-cerely, Steve Luck
-------------------- Steve Luck Sign Magic Inc. 2718-b Grovelin Godfrey, Illinois 62035 (618)466-9120 signmagic@sbcglobal.net Posts: 870 | From: 2718-b Grovelin Godfrey, Illinois 62035 | Registered: Dec 2004
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posted November 11, 2006 04:57 AM
Steve, I read your post, and can feel for you! What's to stop you from staying extremely involved with the youth group, bonding with the other parents? You never know how much those kids "really" do want you around, well, sort of. anyway,maybe his parents need to see you there too, serving sloppy joes, etc. My mistake lately with my boy is I listened to him to "not come to the games" or "not stop in work", but, it's just a ploy. They're really proud of their parents and perhaps that they are "cool artists"? just some thoughts.
-------------------- Deb Fowler
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posted November 11, 2006 08:44 AM
It would appear as tho you recieved a lot of good advise here ...so I won't spoil it with any of my fialings as a parent.
That said... I have to say when I saw your post I was amused at seeing "My daughter is dating a drummer" by Steve Luck. I just thought "of all the Luck"!
Well good luck Mr.Luck contrary to popular belief you ...she...and probably he will all live thru it...you sound well centered enough to cope.
Oh... and would Ian Stewart Koster please explain what "dobbing her younger brother means"? something about that statement fired up my couriosity. Those english speaking Ozzies have a way with the language that makes your head spin sometimes.
-------------------- "Werks fer me...it'll werk fer you"
I didn't know it was an aussie expression- I thought everyone spoke like that!
To dob, or to dob in, means to tell on.
(I hope 'to tell on' isn't another one of our apparently exclusive expressions!)
Dobbing is used by kids frequently, as in "If you don't give me one of your chocolates I'll tell mum you ate the last of the icecream"
"Did not"
"Did too- I saw ya"
"Well I'll tell mum you were holding hands with Sam on the back seat of the school bus"
"Did not"
"Did too, I saw ya"
"Well I'm dobbing you in anyway, and you can't have any of my chocolates, so there!"
[lesson 1 in Kid's Aussiespeak-101 concludes...]
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posted November 12, 2006 10:57 AM
maybe ther title should have been "my freshmen daughter is dating a senior" I think the original post show a bit of bias and discrimination against musicians, AND tall kids.... does he have big hand and big feet too... cuz you know what that means... also you may want to check the back of his neck for a 666 tattoo, sounds like he just may be the one...
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posted November 13, 2006 12:33 AM
Not that far off base Ken, friend heres daughter drug this thing home once that had a 187 tattoo on back of neck, father ended that one real quick and has taken to paying attention to what's happening in his daughters life now, like he should have been doing earlier.....it's a sad commentary, but there are some real sick ppl. out there these days, doing all sorts of bad things, it pays to be aware......
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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posted November 13, 2006 11:01 PM
As a drummer for over 28 years, all I can say "It could be worse...at least it's not a guitarist or a bass player!"
I remember meeting my in-laws when we first started dating-- her dad is a devout Southern Baptist Preacher-- He just about flipped when he found out that I was a "professional artist" who banged on drums, grew up in a different type of church and didn't like to hunt... "oh, and by the way, I kinda love your daughter and want to marry her...are you okay, you look kinda pale, sir."
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1738 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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posted November 13, 2006 11:07 PM
I was at a friend's house the other day, he has a daughter that is just out of high school. She came in with this greasy guy and they were chatting with her dad-- I overheard the greasy guy tell her dad "yeah man, my ex-wife used to do the same thing..."
I don't think I could handle having daughters.
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1738 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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