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I'm looking at an Apple Computer system. Has anyone used the Virtual PC program to run windows based software? Would that run my Flexi, Corel software etc. Any input would be appreciated....
-------------------- Mario G. Lafreniere (Fergie) J&N Signs Winter did show up! Posts: 1257 | From: Chapleau, Ontario | Registered: Jun 1999
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If you are talking about the new desk top Mac Pro or their new notebooks, yes it runs Windows XP for sure because I've seen it.
There are 2 ways to run XP. 1) a program from Apple called Boot Camp which allows you to install Windows XP from your Windows disks. You partition the hard drive for a Windows sector and another for a Mac sector. This runs XP natively, so yes, any software currently running on XP will run on the Mac running XP. The downside is that you have to reboot the machine to switch from XP to Mac OS.
2) Parallels... this allows you to run XP alongside Mac OS X, but for programs like Corel and especially Flexi, Apple recommends using Boot Camp to run XP as the native OS.
Apple does not offer support for Windows, and I would check with them if you are using a dongle with Flexi. The guy I talked to is Lisandro at the Apple store. He's always answered my questions without ever having to look stuff up. 800-854-3680 ext. 0531
Since Apple has switched to Intel, software companies are gearing up to make a new version of software called Universal where the software will run on the Mac OS or Windows. About time.
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I'm perplexed at this whole idea of running Windows on a MAC. Mac owners seem to swear by the reliability and non-virus issues with their macs. If they are so great, why in the world would they be trying to run Windows on it? Graphics files can be transferred between mac & pc fairly easy. I just don't see the point of running windows on a mac.
-------------------- Bruce Evans Crown Graphics Chino, CA graphics@westcoach.net Posts: 913 | From: Chino, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Even if someone does run Windows on their *Apple* computer (it's no longer a Mac at this point) they're still getting top notch hardware in their system.
To reduce any potential compatibility headaches, I'd use Boot Camp to run Windows natively. As much as I don't like Windows, running it inside of another environment while using specialized hardware like signmaking equipment and software that needs dongles, etc could be tricky - or it may not present any problems at all. It's worth a shot and it's not like you can't do it the other way if it doesn't work out.
Apple's computer sales have skyrocketed since their switch to Intel, maybe boosted by customer familiarity with the iPod, so maybe eventually there will be enough demand for sign software to be made compatible with MacOS again.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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I can see many reasons someone might run Windogs on a Mac. Not all software a person uses is graphics software. A person might have programs that are only available in Windoze tweaked the way he wants or budget may not allow buying the equivalent Mac software at this point.
I seriously considered buying a Mac this week and loading Parallels and Boot Camp, but for now, I bought two Dells to take care of pressing needs. Maybe later.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5129 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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That's exactly right Dave. I have in excess of $10,000.00 worth of software and am not ready to spend that much again just to run on a Mac. I can probably keep what I have to run the printers and cutters but use the Mac for design, etc...I heard nothing but good on the Mac and I have had my share of blue screens..I think I'm ready to jump ship!
-------------------- Mario G. Lafreniere (Fergie) J&N Signs Winter did show up! Posts: 1257 | From: Chapleau, Ontario | Registered: Jun 1999
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In the office we bought the new Mini Mac and installed Parallels Desktop for the Mac.
After installing this software we create a virtual machine for XP Pro (they give you a bunch of options here, not only Windows). The ONLY default we needed to change was the USB setup, there we needed to select the "auto connect".
We installed XP pro (no problems)
We installed Omega 2.51 (no problems)
Printed using the Edge FX but we have not cut anything yet (only through a network setup), not direct connection (need to find my USB to Serial cable)
Everything ran fine until we did a MAC Update which downloaded about 400mb and a firmware update. The firmware update seem to change something to do with the virtual capibilities of the machine. Everything still works fine but to us it seems "sluggish" now. We are in contact with Parallels to see what we need to do.
The initial setup took a couple of hours and was pretty simple.
My $.02
-------------------- Tony Teveris Gerber Software Engr South Windsor, CT Posts: 92 | From: South Windsor, CT | Registered: Apr 2002
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1) bowling league secretary software. No one makes it for a Mac.
2) Quickbooks. I did not like the payroll module they shipped with the Mac version. It was second party payroll software, not integrated like the Windoze version. And at the time, Quickbooks said they were no longer going to support or upgrade the Mac versions any more. Since I bought QB for PC, Quickbooks changed their minds and created a Mac OS X version.
So by necessity I have to run Windows for 2 programs, but much prefer the Mac OS.
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Mike I gotta ask do you think the intel processor sold to apple is better quality than the same processor sold to Dell (who by the way buy and sell 14 times as many intel processors)? The sony battery is somehow better quality because the label says apple. ATI must magically make better video cards for Apple. And as far as I know Apple does not manufacture its own hard drives yet.
Exactly which component is better quality??
I'm not knocking macs, I respect apple a lot but If you want a mac, get a mac and run software that is designed for a mac.
Mario even if you do succeed in running flexi for windows on a mac, when you run into a glitch who is going to support you? Try explaining that one to technical services at Flexi...
-------------------- Mike O'Neill
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The Mac guys are gonna slam me, but doesn't it make more sense to buy a system that will run the programs you already have? Warranties, tech support, updtaes and the like will be assured to work later without the risk of problems (read that as downtime) later.
Why trade one set of glitches for another? Rapid
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Bruce, "I just don't see the point of running windows on a mac." I totally agree with you except for some software that you just can't find a Mac equivalent as if I got a CNC unit in here.
Mario, that's the big issue with everyone here. The huge investment we all have in software already. I certainly can't argue, that's a large consideration. Bottom line is, it's the OS. OS X is rated the best OS period, even by non-Mac publications.
Tony, this is were it gets personal. I'm waiting for my next "offer" from GSP. "Now run Omega on your Mac!" Gag, cough . . . . . It's not going to happen. MacImprint is hands down a sleeker, easier more trouble free app than Omega period. I'll keep an old G4 with Illustrator 10 going as long as I need to if it comes to that. . . .but you know that.
Mike O, there's a lot more going on in there than just the processors. They are still better built machines and always are at the top of customer satisfaction. Just look at them, they eek quality. Makes the Dells and HP's look like they should be be sold at Toys R Us.
Ray, "but doesn't it make more sense to buy a system that will run the programs you already have?". Your the guy that Apple is aiming for. Boot Camp will run the Windoz apps as good as any Dell. It is in fact a dual OS machine if you want it to be. Just be aware that booted in XP it is just like any PC. Open to viruses, spy ware etc, BUT, the Mac OS is separate and protected from all that crap. Apple is betting that after using OS X for awhile you will you won't want to go back to the dark side.
Mike P, you caught me. Two hours on Lake Michigan. King salmon 8-15 lbs.
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1360 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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Thank you Mike O! Maybe the Case is better?
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-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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I was dozing off thinking about Windoze, thus the slip.
Bill said it... It's the operating system and Mac's is hands down better.
The Intel based Mac is a great idea since you can run your current Windoze software on a screaming machine, using native Windows XP (not a slip... using the trade name)and check out a slick OS.
And this is important... software companies are starting their development of Universal Software that will run on the intel Mac and PC's, so the day is coming that when you upgrade your software, you'll be able to run it on either OS.
That's my point. You're getting an Intel processor, ATI or nVidia graphics depending what you choose, you get Seagate's latest hard drive offerings, RAM from Crucial which uses either Micron or Samsung memory chips. All top notch hardware not only from companies that build great components but also the top end of what those companies have to offer. The components are selected and tested with each other to ensure compatibility because having good hardware is worthless if it conflicts with each other, and sometimes it does. Dell does the same testing with their higher end systems.
You can rest assured you're getting the best components for the money. if you do have a hardware failure, it's a fluke, not a recurring issue because of crap hardware like some other computer makers stick you with, usually on their budget PC's.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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personal !!! What, did the BIG one get away. You know me better then that. I'm only offering what we have done and by no means do I think this is a true Mac user solution for Gerber on the Mac though "they" will milk it for what it's worth.
I would have to say though that if one were in the market for new hardware and were operating both types of OSs in the work place they should think about it. It is a super move by Apple.
-------------------- Tony Teveris Gerber Software Engr South Windsor, CT Posts: 92 | From: South Windsor, CT | Registered: Apr 2002
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Tony, not personal with you my friend but with the tunnel visioned powers that be. I know you're rooting for for us MI guys. You name is usually the only presence on these forums to vent to, that's all. Your support is always appreciated!
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1360 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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I'd give you my PC's in a minute if the Mac ran all the software. I truly believe that the only people who prefer a PC to a Mac have either never used a Mac or were so used to un-intuitive software that they couldn't adapt.
I don't like the boot camp solution though. I'd hate to shut down to reboot in Windows just to use Quickbooks. I'd need both OS's open so I could toggle back and forth.
-------------------- Paul Luszcz Zebra Visuals 27 Water Street Plymouth, MA 02360 508 746-9200 paul@zebravisuals.com Posts: 483 | From: 27 Water Street, Plymouth, MA 02360 | Registered: Jul 2003
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Which explains why we bought windows machines in the first place Mike.
As for the 1.08% other, I assume that is for Linux users and such. Something I would like to try on an extra computer. I notice that even that community trys to emulate in look and appearance, Windows.
Heck, I will eventually have an Mac Os machine in the future, but definately not to the exclusion of all the other Pc ones. I like them too.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2789 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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I used Macs throughout college and for 3 years at my old job. I’ve had more than enough experience on Macs. Yet I see no benefit of owning a Mac. They use the same hardware that you can get in PCs so you can’t really argue that they are faster or that the quality is better. If you know where to look you can get a PC with the same specs as a Mac for quite a bit cheaper. The problem is too many people are comparing Macs to Dells. There are other computer companies out there. I’m not knocking Dell. They make a good computer. But the main downfall with Macs is the fact that you have own two different operating systems just to run the software that you like to use. What I thinks is funny is that for years Mac lover were saying that their chips are soo much better, yet they’re running Intels now. Or that OS is soo much better. Then why would you want to load widows on that same machine?? I don’t need to load OSX on my PC.
-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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From what I've read, Apple has had several critical security patches this year. So while it may be more secure than Windows, it is not iron-clad.
So the way I see it my choices are:
1. Buy a unsecure Mac system 2. Have very little software available 3. What is available is expensive - (I'm sure because it's MUCH better) 4. I can harass and irritate every PC user in miles with my "Dude, you gotta get a Mac"
OR
1. Buy an unsecure PC System 2. Have tons of cheap software available 3. Able to get a Mac user in fighting mode in only 2 words... such as.. "Windows rocks!"
Wow.. looks like it's 4 to 3 for the Mac.. gonna have to make the switch, I guess.
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It's obvious to me that some of you are not reading all the posts. I was about to say that this argument will never die, but I think it will in about 5 years when almost all the software will be universal.
Apple continues to be the inovator, and Microsoft the imitator. The new Microsoft OS (Vista) is another prime example. An article in USA Today, reprinted in the Green Bay Press Gazette, laid out many of the "new" features of Vista. Each feature was followed by "already available on the Mac."
A few other quotes by Edward C. Baig, USA Today:
"Microsoft claims Vista will be the most secure version of Windows yet. Of course, given the volley of viruses and spyware plaguing Windows XP through the years, that's a bit like saying the new operating system will prove safer than the Titanic."
"Are all Vistas created equal? Not quite. Microsoft confusingly has two main user interfaces for Vista, called "basic" and "Aero." The latter boasts a slick visually enhanced interface with see-through windows. Meanwhile, Microsoft has announced no less than five editions of Vista, depending on whether you're primarily using Vista in the office, at home or some combination. Pricing has not been announced for the editions, which carry the names Business, Enterprise, Home Premium, Home Basic and Ultimate"
Me again: Microsoft is taking the multi level pricing to new heights of extorsion. Example: Many of you have stated on this board that XP home is junk, you need XP Professional, at extra cost of course. (Apple chose to make a premium OS for the same cost as XP home. Hmmmm) You can bet your arse there are going to be premium prices on the various Vistas.
And ready for this? Aero will require 1 gigahertz of processor speed and 1 gig of memory with dedicated graphics memory as minimum system requirements. Even the basic Vista will require 512 megs of Ram with an least an 800 megahertz processor. That eliminates a lot of PC's still being used.
One last comment. There are many Mac users in Letterville. I can't remember a single post about hardware / software problems from Mac owners, but weekly posts about Windows lost my plotter drivers, printer drivers, scanner won't work, crashes, viruses, incombatability, files won't open, freezes, files disapeared, printer won't work and on and on. Some of you can't see the evidence when it's right in front of you.
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I've heard it all a million times.. Windows is struggling to keep up.. it's the imitation.. Windows is just an Apple covered in peanut butter.. blah blah blah..
Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft spends no money whatsoever on research and development. They just have about 5 or 6 programmers sitting around tweaking the Mac OS code. Darned imitators.
Seriously, I've used and worked on Apples and like them fine... I just enjoy poking a little and watching the Apple users go nuclear. Do it all the time to a couple of friends who use Apples...
-------------------- Jon Jantz SnappySign Walnut Hill, FL Posts: 3396 | From: Atmore, AL | Registered: Nov 2005
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Source: California Motor Car Dealers Assn. Los Angeles Times
According to marketshare, more people would rather have a Toyota than a BMW, Mercedes-Benz, or Lexus. I guess Toyota is a better car than those three, or those that didn't make it into the top 10 such as Ferrari, Porsche, Rolls-Royce, Maserati, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc.
Why do people equate market share with quality? Not related. If so, everyone sell their GMC's an get a Corolla.
"If the Mac’s market share is five percent, then shouldn’t it have five percent of the viruses? It ought to have seen 5,700 viruses last year, not zero. Clearly, there’s something else at work here, and I’ll tell you what it is: Mac OS X is simply harder to hack."
Windows probably gained much of it's market share from the early momentum it gained in the workplace. People naturally buy the same OS for home so they can "borrow" the software from work to run at home.
About price, we've already busted that myth here, but here's an AP writer finding the same results http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_mac_pro_3 Yea, there are cheaper Pc's out there for sure. You can buy a Huffy mountain bike too, but would you? Especially if your livelihood depended on it?
Jon Jantz says for his Mac option:
"Have very little software available"
As of today, there are over 3000 Universal Mac applications available. That's just UNIVERSAL applications, which run on both PowerPC and Intel Macs. How many applications do you need? How many do you have? Sure there are way more Windows/DOS apps, but who wants most of them?
3. What is available is expensive - (I'm sure because it's MUCH better)
Let's see. Here are some comparisons.
Adobe Creative Suite 2 Mac $849.97 Win $849.97
QuarkXPress 7 Mac $749.97 Win $749.97 MS Office Mac MS Office 2004 Standard Edition $347.96 Win MS Office 2003 Standard Edition $369.99
System Software: Mac OS X 10.4 $114.97 Win XP Home $169.99 Win XP Pro $269.99
Gerber software Omega CP software $4000+ MacImprint $650 MacImprint with Adobe Illustrator: $488.97 + $650 = 1138.97 MacImprint with Adobe Creative Suite $$849.97 + $650 = $1499.97 includes Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign
Jon Jantz wrote:
"I just enjoy poking a little and watching the Apple users go nuclear."
Glad both sides are enjoying it:)
....as always
Dave: Keep up the good work!
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1360 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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This Windows is copying OS argument is the most ridicules thing I’ve heard yet. If any thing it looks as though Mac has been doing some coping its self. The Intel chip mainly. But that’s hardware not software. If Mac knew that Microsoft was coping their software don’t you think there would be some lawsuits flying? Like Jon said do you honestly think that Microsoft dvlpers spend years and millions just sitting there copying Macs. I mean Vista isn’t even out yet and you are already attacking it. Let’s see how it does first.
Here is my main questions to you Mac lovers. And if you can answer this I’ll be a happy camper. If there is all this software available for Macs, and the Mac OS is so much more superior then Microsoft’s, how come anyone would buy Windows for a Mac or more importantly how come Macintosh would support AND advertise this? Why would Mac switch over to Intel, a product used on PCs for years?
And finally, you haven’t heard of any problems with Macs failing. Then let me be the first. We had a Mac Xserve RAID at my old job. A nice pricy piece of equipment that we could store our entire Job files on so that it could be available on the network. Not one of us knew how to run the damn thing, not even our “seasoned” Mac guru. I personally thought the thing was a little overboard for a sign shop but I wasn’t involved in the decision making process when they bought the thing. I also knew we were going to have problems networking it with our other machines half of which were PCs. So we called in the Mac techies (which there are only about five of them in Bloomington a town of about 70,000) they must not have known how to work the thing either because when one of the hard drives failed the raid must not have been set up right and we lost jobs a-j. Not Good. The point is not all Mac products are as intuitive as every one says, especially when networking. And, even Mac hardware can fail just like any product you can get out their. The problem in our case was that it’s hard to find any local tech support that’s worth a damn for Macs. We lost a lot of work, time and money on that investment. At least it makes a pretty $8,000 paper weight
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-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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Thanks for the replies for those that have answered the question:
quote:Has anyone used the Virtual PC program to run windows based software? Would that run my Flexi, Corel software etc. Any input would be appreciated....
-------------------- Mario G. Lafreniere (Fergie) J&N Signs Winter did show up! Posts: 1257 | From: Chapleau, Ontario | Registered: Jun 1999
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Joe, Yes the Microsoft programmers spent all those man hours developing a PROGRAM, not an operating system, a program, that would make a PC running DOS have the look and feel of a Mac. Remember, from way back during the 9" B&W Mac days, back when PC's only ran DOS, Microsoft was wrting software for Macs. Gates knew exactly how slick it was, saw that it was the future of computing, and saw the opportunity to cash in.
Apple did sue Microsoft when Windows came out. The law suit was doomed however because Windows back then was not an OS but a cosmetic overlay program. Disputing the claim that Windows was born from the Mac OS is like saying that when the first VW Beetle came out, it wasn't a car because the engine is in the back.
When your software is menu driven with the keyboard,(DOS) and you come out with point and click mouse driven software (Windows), software that makes the computer screen look like a desktop with folders for the documents and a trash can to delete files etc., the exact thing that the Mac was built to do from the ground up, I'd call that copying.
When the reports come out showing every new major feature of Vista has been a part of the Mac OS for quite a while, I'd call that copying.
And now Joe, it's time to make you a happy camper. The Windows capability of a Mac isn't there for the long time Mac users. It's there for the PC users (like Mario) to be able to switch to a Mac and run their old software without the cost of upgrading all their programs at once.
The reason Apple switched to Intel? In the past, Motorola and IBM were producing cutting edge chips. But they sorta stalled out and were not meeting Apple's demand for innovation any more, so Apple went to Intel. Remember, this is not the same chip that goes into PC's. The chip had to be designed for the Mac thus a program (Boot Camp)to help run Windows.
Mario, hope you've garnered enough info to help you decide what to do.
Edit: Joe, sorry that you lost so much in that networking attempt. I'd be quicker to blame the techies that "claimed" to be Mac gurus before the system. The PC guy at our high school networked dozens of Macs & PC's to a server without any problems.
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Dave “the sandman” Sherby, I'm not arguing about the DOS thing. I'm sure there were some pretty shifty things going down back in the day. I was referring to the new OS's that are out right now. It seems like all of the operating systems out now are very similar including Linux. An OS should be easy to navigate and visually appealing which they all are, especial OSX. But if you’ve used them both which I have, you can easily tell that they are different not better or worst. Microsoft Internet Explorer came out before a lot of these other browsers out today, and I agree that there was some shady stuff going down with that too. But you don’t really hear a whole lot of IE users complaing that Mozilla Firefox copied IE.
Or while were forming analogies; if I were to design a logo for a restaurant and I happened to use the same font that was used for a logo that you developed for an Irish Pub. Would that mean that I copied you? They are both logos, they both have similar aspects including the font, they are both used to sell a service which both deal with the food and beverage industries, they are both in color and the main copy is larger than the sub copy. Or how about this: The covered wagon came out before the car. Does that mean the inventers of the car ripped off the inverters of the wagon? Not saying that the car is better than the wagon. The wagon is powered by a horse and with gas prices these days….
At this point you can’t really say one is copying the other. What you can say as that both of these systems are getting more and more alike.
Anyway, just a few observations and opinions.
Joe “the happy camper” Diaz
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-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Joseph Diaz: If Mac knew that Microsoft was coping their software don’t you think there would be some lawsuits flying? Like Jon said do you honestly think that Microsoft dvlpers spend years and millions just sitting there copying Macs.
Two answers:
1. It's not called copying. It's called reverse engineering. Arguably unethical, but legal.
2. And so far as developers spending years and millions doing it. Hell yes they would, and obviously they are.
As far as Windows copying Macs. Without Mac, you guys would be running DOS programs today.
quote:Originally posted by J & N Signs: Thanks for the replies for those that have answered the question:
quote:Has anyone used the Virtual PC program to run windows based software? Would that run my Flexi, Corel software etc. Any input would be appreciated....
Yes, Mario..it is BULL****! And the number one reason not to get a Mac for someone on this bb, is that if you ever have a question concerning Macs, you will get twenty flames and/or smartass remarks for every one answer. It aint worth f*cking asking the question here. This has been the way it's been here for years, and it will never get better.
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Sorry guys. Didn't realize it was such a touchy subject or I wouldn't have posted my "smart remarks" and "flames". I guess I'm not sensitive enough to own a Mac, cuz you can call my PC a piece of sh!t all day and it won't cause my pop off valve to blow.
From now on, it's all seriousness and soberness for me, and I won't post in any more topics that have the word "Mac" in them.. even if it's about "Mac"Donalds.
I will say my flame was kinda weak in the previous posts... they are usually interlaced with lots of special characters and four letter words.
Again, I'm a total ass and sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings talking about their operating system.
-------------------- Jon Jantz SnappySign Walnut Hill, FL Posts: 3396 | From: Atmore, AL | Registered: Nov 2005
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Never mentioned you, Jon. Never met you. Don't know you from Adam. I was speaking of the topic over a number of years, long, long before you ever heard of this site.
And I wasn't talking of anyone's feelings being hurt. What I wrote was that Mac users cannot pose Mac or Apple topics on this board without the inevitable smart ass remarks. It's not an opinion. Search if you want to. It's documentable.
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If you wind up resorting to building a dual boot system I'd look closely at Linux Suse. I am in no way a Linux guru but I've been playing with a few distros of Linux and the current version of Suse is by far and away the best I've tried so far. I haven't been bothered personally to try it because I don't have the need, but from what I read you can get XP to run "inside" Suse (and other distros)IE: toggle from one OS to the other, but I wouldn't count on it being a seemless procedure, especially if you have dongles and specialised software involved. However, if you want the ability to shift between the benefits of a Mac (Security/stability etc) and the software investment you have already made in MS, Linux is an easy transition. Having installed Suse now on 1x laptop 333mHz CPU/128mb RAM/40gb HDD through to a system running 2x320gb SATA RAID1/1gbRAM/2.6 Celeron Core Duo/HD TV Tuner /SD TV Tuner/Nvidia (forget which chipset) PCIEx VGA I can say that it runs almost equally well on both and was as easy to install on both. If this is an option, the only suggestion I can make is to go back in time and invest in a copy of Powerquest Partition Magic as it has made the dual boot installation much easier, I'm sure the Grub bootloader in Linux works well once you know your way around it but I'm set in my ways now. HTH, David
-------------------- David Fisher D.A. & P.M. Fisher Services Brisbane Australia da_pmf@yahoo.com Trying out a new tag: "Parents are the bones on which children cut their teeth Peter Ustinov Posts: 1450 | From: Brisbane Queensland Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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Smile Jon. Don is just frustrated. We all sit back when you pc guys have issues when we could lip off and say "Get a Mac!" They're not perfect and we all have problems occasionally but we compare our experiences with what we read about here and wonder why you all put up with it and actually defend Windows. Sooo,when we get a chance to "enlighten" our cohorts in the graphic world we get a bit enthusiastic, . . .and frustrated.
Mario, feel free to email or call to get any of your questions answered without any diversions. To answer your question again. Yes, you can run all your pc apps using Bootcamp. It's not "virtual pc" though. No emulation here, a full tilt windoz box running as fast or faster than what your running now.
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-------------------- Mario G. Lafreniere (Fergie) J&N Signs Winter did show up! Posts: 1257 | From: Chapleau, Ontario | Registered: Jun 1999
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Sorry Don, I was just creating discustion not trying to make smart ass remarks. I appologize. One could also say Mac heads make their remarks every time a pc subject is posted. Besides this post started as a mac/windows type issue. And no i havenot personaly used Virtual PC but i have heard that its not worth the time. My sources could be wrong though.
Agian I'm sorry I wasnt trying to upset anyone.
-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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