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This will be a dimensional sign. The Roseberry part is flat-painted on ¾" SignWhite that I'll paint that weird background color. The roses will be carved out of HDU, as will the berries and leaves. ...how would I make the vines? Some parts will be adhered to the sign while a few tendrils will be hanging. This is just a sketch that needs revisions. I am losing the ribbon and making the roses bigger. The whole thing will be screwed onto painted and distressed T-111. Any input would be great! The sign will be 3'x4'. Thanks. Love....Jill
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Around here, signwhite used to be what the oldtimers called translucent white acrylic for backlit.
As for the vines and leaves, you might try looking in a craft store for some fake plastic stuff. We have the "Michaels" chain around here, and we put some very sturdy fake stuff in the flowerboxes at the firehall, and it still looks like new 5 years later.
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I have no idea if this may work for you but. . . Ofttimes doing 3D stained glass work like boxes and terrariums I used stranded electrical wire for decorative shapes or corner beads. I'd twist the strands and totally saturate them with solder.
On something like vines you could start with a heavy gauge wire and spin off branches as you go. Clean it and treat it with a copper sulfate solution to give it a antique copper look and it may work.
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1357 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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Jilly, Cut your signwhite (whatever the hell that is??) in a silhouette of the entire (exterior) picture (vines and all) and then take a 2"piece of hdu the overall size of your vines and roses and carve it all together. Then all you have to do is attach the carved piece to the silhouette background panel. That gives you the rigidity that you might need for the "thin" spots on the vine.
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If i were doing that job over here i would use copper brake pipe, it comes in a long roll and is very workable so you would be able to get some nice curves with it. I would then give it a thin coat of gorilla glue to give it some texture then just paint it vine colour. But i don't know if american cars have the same sort of brake pipes.
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Hiya Jill, My thought was some threaded rod or plumbing PVC bent to shape, but Catherine's idea easier better. I was thinking that I would also do the leaves and berries out of PVC too.
Havin' fun,
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Keep it simple...use Welding Rod. Your local welder could even attach several "stems" onto the main rod which can easily be bent any which wat by hand. If you want to build it up before painting, Bondo would be my preferred method. Easy to sand, made to take paint, bonds well to metal.
Hope this helps.
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Steve Thomas Greer did a sculpting demo at the Zoo meet. That would be perfect for a job like this. It's basically just epoxy putty that you can sculpt with your hands, smooths out like glass with a little water and hardens to about 8 on the mohs scale in an hour or two. I can't remember the name of it right now tho but I think it's EZ Sculpt.
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If this sign was built by our shop, the roses and vines would be rendered 3D in ArtCam. The background oval would also be cut so that the HDU vines had a support to sit on.
Think of the entire shape of your project as solid black, and that would be the shape of the sign, then the 3D roses /vines would sit on top.
You don't need a CNC router, you can do all the 3D by hand, although it will take 20 times longer. You could "farm" part of this work out, get the job done quicker and make more money with less stress.
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I think it would look great and last even better in wrought iron. Do you have a ironsmith near by? I'm just striking up a business relationship with one in our area.
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quote:Originally posted by Kelly Thorson: I think it would look great and last even better in wrought iron. Do you have a ironsmith near by? I'm just striking up a business relationship with one in our area.
OF COURSE you would STRIKE UP a relationship with an ironsmith! Preferabbly while the iron is hot... LOL! Cat
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I did go ahead and order some of that EZ Sculpt stuff. I think it should be perfect for what I'm attempting. Here is a modified version which is more like what the floral arrangement will be. This should be interesting. The stuff is paintable and seemingly idiot-proof....right up my alley. Thanks for the ideas! Love....Jill
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I agree with those that say that the background shape should be cut to the entire shape. That will support the small elements. I would not leave those pieces dangling off the board.
HDU is VERY easy to work with. Using rasps and sandpaper alone will give you great effects. You don't have to know how to carve. Just remove everything that doesn't look like roses and leaves (apologies to Michaelangelo).
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Jill: Though the modifications you made in the second rendition are minor, I think it makes a MAJOR improvement in the overall sign. A VERY PRETTY sign. Another portfolio special. You are one talented sign writer. Regards, Bob C.
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Jill, I think it's gonna be a great looking sign but I have one question.. what are roseberries? Are they similar to dingleberries? Just curious....
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Here's the last version. Just a few more tweaks...I think we have it now. I think that a roseberry is another name for rosehips (those strawberry looking thingies) I don't think many folks would want to buy dingleberries! Got my T-111 cut out today. Just waiting to hear back from my client for the final go-ahead. love....Jill
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Catherine has the right idea. Steel Brakelines, some may have a coppery colour but it's got steel in there ..lots of different sizes to choose from, at your auto parts store.
Bend it to shape, with your fingers in latex gloves, slather PL300 glue over it to give it a more organic look. It will work better than Gorilla glue as it won't noticably expland and you can sculpt it somewhat. Let it dry and paint..I did that for 25 3ft tall candelabras worked great
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