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my bad, wrong Glen Taylor, just looked at your state, the Glen Taylor I know is a black guy with white dredlocks, he is really dark umber with cool grey hair.
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"A wise man once said that, or was it a wise guy?" Posts: 2425 | From: Salem, MA | Registered: Apr 1999
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I think this was a sucsessful hijack.... so Todd how was the movie aside for the evil ethnic teens??
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The last time I did my timbering tools show, it was in La. a little north on Nawlin's. At this location, they always bus in loads of school children on Friday, first day of the event. (Old tractors, etc) One of the things you need to learn if you're going to work with non power tools, is how to sharpen them really well. Sure power tools need to be sharp too, but with them, you can just work the motor a little harder. With non power tools YOU are the motor.
Anyways, as I do the 'show', I go from one tool to the next, they are left where I use them. These include double bit axes, broadaxe, foot adze, and more. I don't leave the site without moving them, but when I'm there, the tools are about the place. So this young man (is 'teenager' one of those terms invented for social engineering?) walks up, picks up a tool, and starts using it. I got very direct with him, and told him to ask first. He starts telling me he wasn't using it. I got right in his face, like 4 inches away, with "YOU WERE USING IT! But that very instant, I had this thought, maybe God, so I obeyed it and put my arm around the guy and said "MAN, YOU WERE USING IT, BUT IT'S NO BIG DEAL. Next time just ask". Then I talked him into using it, he did and it was cool. So I guess it was somehere between Lotti and Todd, but honestly, I don't know that it was my idea, I'm not always like that.
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I don't wear pasties, I leave them up to the drunken California bimbos that come here to party on the weekends.
The first time I saw Superman Returns there was a mexican (yeah, I said it) family in front of me and my mom. Yeah, we both had a break in the day so we zipped on down to the movies to beat the heat.
Anyway, the mom and dad were obviously pretty young, low 20's and they had 4 or 5 kids.
I'm thinkin' "Oh great, these kids are gonna be a pain."
Turns out the kids were angels but "dad" just wanted to stand up in the isle, blocking my view, while talking on his cell phone.
I asked him to sit so he wasn't blocking my view and to put the phone away til the end of the movie and there wasn't a problem after that, but you know what??
I shouldn't have had to ask him to sit down and shut up in the first place. He should have just known that's what he's supposed to do. I don't care if it was just during the advertisements before the previews, or during the previews or during the movie itself. When you go into a theater you find your seat, sit down and zip it or use your "inside voice". It's that simple.
Having people standing up around me while I'm sitting just makes me a nervous psychotic.
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excuse me Mike, I happen to be a bimbo, and I take offense to your remark....I think?
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quote: I set boundaries, and was quite alot harder on her than her mum. Ironically, she absolutely adored me.
Kids actually WANT boundaries and dicipline. In they're eyes, that tranlates to being a very important form of LOVE and caring.
THIS IS SO TRUE IT HURTS. Somewhere between 1955 and today we ALL messed up. The family unit has disintegrated; primarily because of the prevasive Mutation of "American" values.
THere was a generation after the second world war that experienced a minor renaissance in most areas. People worked hard and economy and technology evolved and enabled them to get MORE.
When they got MORE, they discovered they wanted STILL MORE, so the folks hired somebody else to tend the kiddos while they both became breadwinners, because after all, weren't they AMERICANS and ENTITLED to the AMERICAN DREAM?
SO everybody got COLOR TV'S and TWO cars, and all was well, and they retired. But their children inherited the NEED for MORE, and the pervasive sense of ENTITLEMENT, and followed in their steps, and the mutation continued.
ENTITLEMENT came over time to be revealed for what it really was--SELFISHNESS & GREED. Mom and Dad soon decided that some of the MORE they were wanting included OTHER RELATIONSHIPS, and like wildfire, or a virulent disease, DIVORCE, once scandalous, creeped into the NORM.
THE RESULT: Where one generations kids had to put up with being raised by someone else, the next had to deal with the loss of the family unit altogether--because under their own very observant gaze the saw Mom and Dad chasing what they were ENTITLED to.
TODAY: A generation with no concept of home or boundary, terms like RESPECT and HONOR are alien.
No wonder children from every walk of life are disconnected, shiftless, bitter and ANGRY....because somewhere deep inside, in some racial memory, they know they've ROYALLY gotten the shaft.
Forgive me for waxing biblical here but it is nonetheless appropriate:
Pr 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint.
We have no boundaries anymore, we as a people do what feels "right" to us, in the moment...we have bought into "situational ethics", and the "children at large" are picking up the generational tab.
Don't get me wrong, I'd have likely done the same as Todd, but lets have no illusions. In reality, all that really was is picking at only one of the scabs that mar the visage of a once great and proud people.
We have more STUFF than ever before, but we have bartered the loftier aspects of who we ought to be in the process.
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Ken - the movie was pretty good...I'd give it an 8 out of 10...what I saw of it and what I was able to concentrate on....
Ya know...I wish I would have ate Mexican food that night (is it racist to refer to a particular ethnic food by it's nationality?) because maybe instead of sternly correcting them, I could have stood in front of them and blown gas their way for 2 hours...yeah, I think fouling their space would have been the better approach...but it wasn't the one that seemed the best at the time (and I just wasn't producing the appropriate psi for an "air" assault).
I have no regrets in my reaction. I think I acted appropriately. I never "disrespected" them by referring to them as punks, idiots, or any other derrogatory remark. I simply told them to do what the corporate movie preview requested of the viewing audience: No cell phones, no talking.
I'm disappointed they were too disrespectful or stupid to have gotten the message the first time...the message nicely sent via the projector....but they seemed to register my message for the most part.
I just don't really feel like my rights to a relaxing environment should be violated nor take a back seat to protect the "sensitivities" of these innocent socially maligned kids - and if it means I have to stand up and face it like a man, I'm going to.
I'm not a nut...I don't think...I'm just an average guy that wants a little enjoyment on occasion without being harrassed.
Clarification: I'm not sure how it got started...but the honkies in the front row consisted of maybe a couple college aged adults and a few other adults...they were not kids, nor was I making a comparison about the polite whites in the front verses the obnoxious blacks in the back - although that really is how it played out.
Steve - honestly.....I don't care if Satan himself is sitting in the theatre...if he keeps his cell phone off, doesn't burn holes in the seats, and keeps his big mouth shut...I won't have to open a can of Whup A$$ on him.
Sign Relation - this is no different than a client that treats you like crap....you take so much, decide it's not worth it and tell them to whizz up a rope.
quote:Originally posted by Steve Shortreed: I never really paid any attention, but 13 were black and 22 were white. One was a midget. I'm not sure of her colour.
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For what it's worth, I've found that most of the people who use the terms white, black, hispanics, colored, etc, right after they say they are not racist, are more than a little hypocritical.
I'm also not quite so old to have forgotten being an obnoxious, loud, brain-dead teenager. Maybe if we spent a little less time slamming "these kids today", we'd stop sounding like our parents did when WE we the kids those days. Rapid
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"I'm also not quite so old to have forgotten being an obnoxious, loud, brain-dead teenager. Maybe if we spent a little less time slamming "these kids today", we'd stop sounding like our parents did when WE we the kids those days."
I was also remembering my less then angelic days (there were a few) I have no end of respect for they type of people my parents are/were & unending respect for their ability to pass along at least an understanding of how I could try to become somewhat like them.
I wanted to praise Lotti's example. Several replys seemed to be telling her that her approach won't work... but something tells me she hasn't been living in a bubble just imagining these social theories... I'm pretty sure she has had as much experience getting positive results with honey as others have had with vinegar.
I think I was one of those kids with a good upbringing, but some unacceptable behavior as a teen... I seem to remember a time or two when testing boundries, or showing off brought me some polite guidence by my elders... & I feel that the respect shown to me helped reinforce the efforts my parents made.
I also agree that this won't work every time... but I applaud Lotti for adding that balance to this topic & I hope it sinks in to my thick skull a little bit today the same way the respect of those "elders" I mentioned sank in a little.
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white IRISH, ARIAN, SCANDENAVIAN.....rest of the people have COLOR......somewhere between coal black & peach!!!!!!! BARRY turn off linbaugh....goan freeze youre brain.... as someone who LIVED waht you try to discribe... i was born 1945, well WW2 was still going on. and you missed the best years of this country 1950-1980. now as far as iam concerened this is where the real decay came to be....after 1975... i can tell you all the great things about growing up in the 50's, learning the work ethic with a paper route, farm work, AND DOING WORK FOR FREE(like mechanic's, just to LEARN)respect was taught....and if you didnt get it you got one up side youre head!!! the NO-DRAFT, NO-HITTIN, NO PUNISMENT, generation was born then....youre so called ENTITLED youth. and these have spawned the NOW TEENAGERS.... who think RAP MUSIC is the best, callin women nanes and cus words in songs now make up all the lyrics....and the sad thing is...WAIT TILL THESE HAVE OFFSPRING.......
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As far as color goes.... it depends on where you're talking about as to what color I am. I live in tank tops in the summer so my arms are an ecru, my shoulders are more of a tan & my belly is that pasty glow-in-the-dark white color. I've also got this big honking purple bruise on my leg that has a mustard yellow edge to it, I have no idea how it got there.
Suelynn, I believe our definitions of respect are different, and I'd like to explain my thoughts a little better.
To me respect is holding a person in high-esteem because of the person that they are. I can't do that if it's a total stranger because I don't know what kind of person they are. Not automatically respecting a total stranger doesn't mean I disrespect them, I see a middle ground between respect & disrespect. People I don't know automatically go into that space. They are automatically treated with politeness while I get to know them better.
I still wouldn't consider what Todd experienced a lack of respect. It's just being rude & impolite. You don't have to respect a total stranger to act appropriately around them, you just have to have manners.
This is just the way I see it and I'm ok disagreeing with you on this.
In Todd's case I wouldn't have gone up to them and gotten in their faces. That's just begging for a reaction and playing "who's going to back down first" with a group of teenagers is just dumb. Being there weren't a lot of people in the theatre, I would have yelled up to them "would you please be quiet?". If they continued to disrupt the movie, I would have went to the manager. I don't think it was wrong of management to give them a warning and a second chance, sometimes people need to have things, in this case their actions, brought to their attention to realize what they're doing. But I really have to question if this was their first warning ever at that theatre. Chances are they've been warned before in which case they should've been booted.
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quote:Originally posted by Janette Balogh: Kids actually WANT boundaries and dicipline. In they're eyes, that tranlates to being a very important form of LOVE and caring.
Nettie is dead on. My wife is the toughest teacher in our school, but also the most respected and well liked by the students.
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Don't be so hard on teacher. Yes there are some bad ones and I wish they could be weeded out of the profession (like bad doctors) but for the most part the teachers hands are tied by administrators that won't allow teachers to disipline, or flunk a student anymore.
There is this huge misguided idea, brought on I believe, by the mistakingly so called experts in psychology, that you have to make kids feel good all the time, not allow them to fail because it could hurt their self esteem, that everyone has to feel like a winner. I heard on the radio just the other day about school sports, I think in California, where they no longer keep score because all the kids are winners! What a bunch of crap.
Kids brought up this way are not going to learn how to deal with rejection, failure, or non accomplishment. And they will fail at some point in their lives. Talk about setting someone up to go postal!
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Walk up, calmly and respectfully, look one of them, straight in the eyes, respectfully....and humbly but firmly ask them to please be quiet and settle down....at the same time EXPECTING and trusting this person to respect you back. I don't care if they're black, Red or Purple, 6'5' and 300 lbs, you'd be surprised what a little respect and compassion will do.
Then if that doesn't work, respectfully and humbly tell the manager you're leaving and why. It's the manager's responsibility to keep order in their establishment. They weren't doing their job.
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Please folks - I think some here jumped on "black kids" a little too quickly in turning this from a respect/disrespect/rudeness post into a race riot.
The story I spun was very long and detailed...to pick out a descriptive term and use it as the catalyst for a race debate shows a hpersensitivity and personal level of uncomfortableness within yourselves regarding race - not me.
As I recounted this particular story, I view my mentioning color as a visually descriptive facet of the story - no different than Rapid Rays description in his post "happy camper."
quote:I couldn't help cracking up when he walked out to his piping hot black car, and drove off, blazing helmet firmly on his head.
It develops the scene in your mind. It would be like describing a fall scene without indicating the weathered, colorful, crackly appearance of leaves on the street...or leaving out the description of the snappy cool air.
I'm not so PC as that I am willing to dance around descriptive terminology and speak in generics for the ultra sensitive. To me, that's exhibiting more uptight behavior than my confrontation.
Really,....I wouldn't confront someone in every situation...and I would certainly go the gentler route as Wayne/Lotti suggest in most situations.
But not all. And based on the shinanigans these kids were pulling...I'd do it all over just the same. If they were "white" - they'd still get the same treatment.
Thanks for responding either way, it's been interesting - and It did help relieve the small clouds of smoke comin' out of my ears.
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Yelling or hystonics is unnecessary! Example:
We were in a restaurant when a guy at the table behind us started in on his cell phone. He was quite loud and talking about some gross things.
I got up, leaned on his table and looked him in the eye and quietly said "Either hang up or go outside with that phone! If not, I am going to shove it up your ass!"
He quickly hung up and I got appreciative smiles from the other diners.
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Just out of curiosity, does the fact that I like the song "Play that Funky Music White Boy" by Wild Cherry mean I'm a racist?
Should "Average White Band" be immune from claims of being racist because of its name because the band's drummer, Stephen Ferrone, is a black man with an Italian last name?
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Si forgot to mention that that guy was me. I was talking to this midget lady I met at a theatre. He was po'ed because I wouldn't let him talk gross to her.
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glenn, the band who wrote the song, PLAY THAT FUNKY MUSIC WHITE BOY.......was just that ALL WHITE BOYS!!!! 1975 i was working in a chev dealership parts dept in WEIRTON, W.VA. and the band(WILD CHERRY) used to come in and rent a truck on thurs to haul their equipment to where they was playin that weekend..........this was before they had their ONE HIT SONG.
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quote:Originally posted by KARYN BUSH: wow i always thought glenn was a pasty white boy...go figure.
Can we have a PMS# on that please Karyn??
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First of all I want to say this: Noticing that someone is black or white is not racist; that's just observant. If you were sideswiped by a Blue Toyota and the officer asked you which one hit you and you couldn't say because you were afraid the Toyota people might get bent out of shape or that people with blue cars would think you were stereotyping them out as bad drivers that would just be plain dumb. Same here; so don't tell me that picking that 156 Brilliant Blue or that 199 Black or 134 Chrome Yellow for that sign is discrimination. That word is way over used. If you want to see real discrimination, pull off the interstate in south Atlanta or southeast DC.
I had a similar rant yesterday in Wally World. I only go there as a last resort and yesterday reaffirmed that once again. My daughter is moving to Burbank, Cali for her new job and wanted a new "tiny" digital camera. We were going to Atlanta to see her yesterday when the wife mentioned that she wanted one. Being about the only place open at that time, I decided to give Walmart a shot. I picked out a nice Sony W30 but they didn't have any in stock. The girl offered to call the other Walmart to see if they had one; they had plenty and it was only two more exits in the direction we were going so we went there. There were two people waiting at the counter and the one girl that was supposed to be taking care of them was replacing the roll of photo paper in the DIY kioske. I watched her painfully as she moved a little slower than kudzu. I can't help but wonder where they get these losers!! After waiting for close to 10 minutes, she seemed no closer to giving a glance at her customers at the counter so I decided to try somewhere else. On the way out the door I had to share my disgust with the lady that checks your purchases. I told her "You know why I hate shopping at Walmart? It's because you people have *no* respect for peoples time. They hire people not fit to wait on people and they don't care if it takes 30 minutes to wait on you or check you out." When we got back from Atlanta yesterday evening, the wife wanted to go to Red Lobster for dinner. I've almost never had a really good dining experience at Red Lobster so I suspected that things would go to heck in a handbasket. Sure enough, two couples that came in after us got seated before us. The "greeter/seater" thought we were already seated, LOL. We finally get seated and order water and look over the menu. After a full 15 minutes our server has not come back. The wife gets up and asks another server if she can find our server that we are hungry and ready to order. We wait another 10 minutes but she doesn't show up. We get up and leave and go to Cracker Barrel and have a very good, quick meal, great service and saved about $40.
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Red Lobster, Cracker Barrel, ummm makes me hungry for generically correct plastic food like one would find in the frozen food section of a Wal-Mart super store
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I think I learned Todd's lesson about movie theaters so long ago that I can't imagine going to one now. But if I did, and if that were to happen, I would find the manager and get a refund. If not then and there, then later thru Corporate HQ and possibly with rolling heads. You bet I'd be hot to kick arse, but one must know which arse to kick.
It's not the kids'. They're not mine, and it's not my job to discipline them when they're already bigger than I am.
It's not my theater either. Somebody else is supposed to be managing it, for which he is called "the manager." If he can't maintain order in such a small "crowd" as Todd described, then he's either totally inexperienced or totally incompetent. And if he thinks he's going to beat me out of a refund (and not free passes to more-of-same), then he would better start practising on the young punks instead of the old ones.
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quote: Cost me $8.50 a ticket...and concessions another $20....so had roughly $37+ into the evening not counting gas
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I love your quiet, gentle approach Si!
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