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This will be the second year I worked on the Supercub.org Backcountry fly-in. The attached graphic will be used for the poster and raffle tickets. Let me know how it can be improved. Dave
-------------------- Dave Kirsten Lodi, California Posts: 21 | From: Lodi, CA | Registered: May 2006
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For those of you who don't know Dave, he's from LODI - yup, that Lodi. He was awesome while we were there and has been fantastic about posting pictures of the finished murals, etc.
Any help we can give him would be greatly appreciated by those of us who experienced the kindness and generosity of the town of Lodi firsthand.
Thanks!
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
“Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up.” AA Milne Posts: 3722 | From: Folsom, CA | Registered: Dec 2001
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I'm not at the studio computer, but this is one I worked on for a local brewery. My suggestion is to increase the size of the background illustration, place the aircraft inside the scenery with the left wing protruding out and to the left of the scene. Increase the size of the aircraft to utilize one third of the area. This also leaves more space to state your copy a bit bolder. Would also help if the aircraft illustration perspective was going up and to the left. Dunno if this one is going to work, but its the only copy on this computer.
Lang Creek Brewery is the only MicroBrewery in the country with its own airfield and collection of vintage aircraft. The one illustrated is a 1930's vintage sumthinerother. The mountain range illustrated is the actual range behind the Brewery on the Thompson River a few miles down the road from us.
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Hmm..... Top turned red for some reason.
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-------------------- Pierre St.Marie Stmariegraphics Kalispell,Mt www.stmariegraphics.com ------------------ Plan on knowing everything before I die and time's running out! Posts: 4223 | From: Kalispell,Mt 59903 | Registered: Mar 2000
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For layout ideas, think of the way some of the murals were handled and what were the outstanding elements in their fine design.
The Queen Zinfandel mural had the queen as a supergraphic extending way beyond and dominating the background. I see your Super Cub as a large central image protruding beyond the scenery in the background as a take off (unintended low flying pun) on Pierre's suggestion. Jay's mural had loads of text similar to the situation you have with the "Special Thanks" and "Sponsored By" sections. These can be on smaller sub panels that are more subdued. The balance of the message can be worked in.
There's lots that could be done with this.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5089 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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My first impression is something like Joey's, I think it's 'spot on' for creating a look from a bygone era. However, I think the green ribbon is too loud in that it's competing with the airplane. Maybe some tweaking needed in the arrangement of copy blocks and negative space, maybe over-analysis on my part.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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Oh yeah, and what's this business about "rookie"?? If you designed that layout, you ain't exactly rookie, man
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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I like your layout but would suggest a few changes...
I'm partial to the colors of your plane and like a slightly lower persepctive I also can do a quick drawing for you if you like
Here's what I would suggest...
-grampa dan
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Being a grampa is one of the the most wonderful things in the world!!! Posts: 8738 | From: Yarrow, B.C. Canada | Registered: Nov 1998
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Much better, Dave. Overall better layout. Daniel, the only problem I have with yours is that it now looks more like a business card than a raffle ticket. I definitely like your perspective of the aircraft and background.
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-------------------- Pierre St.Marie Stmariegraphics Kalispell,Mt www.stmariegraphics.com ------------------ Plan on knowing everything before I die and time's running out! Posts: 4223 | From: Kalispell,Mt 59903 | Registered: Mar 2000
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Hi Dave. I'd stack the "Special Thanks To" line to fill up the hole above it, and better balance out the sponsors on the other side. And the copy inside the border would have more contrast if it was the same color as the background. Now the only thing it really needs is a Letterhead font from LHF called Chesham Sans by Arthur Vanson. love....jill
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This version incorporates a larger background, fillin sponsor gaps, more wing detail, better background color contrast, border text contrast, transparent wind screen, and while I agree with grandpa Dan on the plane perspective... I'm not drawing another plane.
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-------------------- Dave Kirsten Lodi, California Posts: 21 | From: Lodi, CA | Registered: May 2006
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Love the new colours Dave. It looks good to me. The names in the border are a little hard to read and it is busy, but it is a raffle ticket. The only thing I might suggest is to shrink all the text slightly away from the border (about half again the spacing that is there).
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Sorry I wasn't clear. I like the border. I think it needs some space around the sponsors and guests. Here's a quick illustration. I half did the mountains(quick). In Photoshop (I used the lasso tool to select it, but since you have the original photo, you have that to work from) I chose the Filter>Artistic>Watercolor, but other filters would work, or maybe the smudge tool used very sparingly.
I don't know how big these will be, but bear that in mind also. The guests may be illegible at this point, so some more adjusting may be necessary. Hope this helps.
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i would not change a thing. if this is for a raffle ticket it looks great
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The new colors are much better! Like Dusty said, I think you need a bit more breathing room around the "Sponsored by" and "Special Guests" text blocks. Otherwise, I'd call it done
-------------------- Jon Androsky Posts: 438 | From: Williamsport, PA | Registered: Mar 2002
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Moved block lettering, created "air", tried a nav map background... all of which fall in the category of "over the top", after all IOAFRT. It's not a complete waste of time however... I do expect to incorporate this drawing in the poster.
-------------------- Dave Kirsten Lodi, California Posts: 21 | From: Lodi, CA | Registered: May 2006
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-------------------- Catharine C. Kennedy CCK Graphics 1511 Route 28 Chatham Center, NY 12184 cck1620@taconic.net "Look at me, Look at me, Look at me now! I't's fun to have fun, But you have to know how!" Posts: 2173 | From: downtown Chatham Center, NY | Registered: Feb 2004
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Sure it's only a raffle ticket, but it's also a design improvement exercise. Right? I like what you've done. And think you could turn it in the way it is.
No matter how much you like it now, you'll most likely see something you'd change later.
I use alot of subjective terms like air and cluttered or busy when I mean negative space and conflict. It's my own design language. Sorry if it's frustrating.
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Thanks for the kind words Susan... It is 100% accurate that I am a Letterhead rookie. Prior to the Lodi walldog event I had no Idea your community existed. I have been in the commodity business for 29 years and when it comes to sign painting or art, I have zero background. Over the years I have occasional worked with Corel Draw... mostly posters, flyers, a few wine labels, and customer presentations. After I explain how I made the above graphic you will no longer question your Letterhead worthiness. I copied the plane by tracing a .pdf from a website. I just placed it in the background and drew over it, which took at least five hours. The next thing I did was import a Corel clipart graphic which contained the ribbon and acorn. I ungrouped it and tossed out everything I didn't need. The only other elements were artistic text and background colors. While I am happy with the way it has turned out, I can't take credit for much more than a little patience.
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-------------------- Dave Kirsten Lodi, California Posts: 21 | From: Lodi, CA | Registered: May 2006
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Patience counts! So does a real good eye! And knowing what to throw out! Welcome aboard... Cat
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This is just how we got hooked, Dave!! Better watch yourself!!
You start slow - then the next thing you know, you're in a different state paying to paint walls as a Walldog - or sitting in on design seminars!!
Thanks so much again for your help during my emergency.
Any chance I can get some of those finished digital pictures of my 'completed' wall? Let me know and I can have you upload them to an Internet site I use for pictures. Or a CD - or whatever is easiest. Just let me know. Thanks, and welcome to the "grass roots, non-organized club".
-------------------- Jay Allen ShawCraft Sign Co. Machesney Park, IL jallen222@aol.com http://www.shawcraft.com/
"The object of the superior man is truth." -Confucius Posts: 1285 | From: Machesney Park, IL, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Being able to bring together elements from different sources, manipulate them and make them work in a design, is not something that is as easy as you so humbly make it sound. It definitely takes either training or a natural eye and understanding of layout. Most people who try this end up with something that looks like a train wreck, also referred to as nephew art.
You really seem to be off to a great start! Now just pick up a copy of Mike Stevens Mastering Layout, and you won't be able to claim you're a Rookie for long!
-------------------- Tracie Johnson Signovations Ventura, California Posts: 444 | From: Ventura, California | Registered: Nov 2005
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Tracie, You are in Ventura! If H.K. Canning (also in Ventura) ever asks you to paint a sign, make sure it is cash in advance. I have been trying to collect on their NSF check ($18,500) since last November. Now Henry Knaust is hiding behind his employees and can't be reached. Don't be fooled by the "living large" appearances... he is a low life.
-------------------- Dave Kirsten Lodi, California Posts: 21 | From: Lodi, CA | Registered: May 2006
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