-------------------- Catharine C. Kennedy CCK Graphics 1511 Route 28 Chatham Center, NY 12184 cck1620@taconic.net "Look at me, Look at me, Look at me now! I't's fun to have fun, But you have to know how!" Posts: 2173 | From: downtown Chatham Center, NY | Registered: Feb 2004
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As a pinstriper, I loath that "nick"...to quote Webster: a mindless idiot...not what I spent all my life becoming, to be referenced off as such makes my blood boil...
Someone, somewhere, thought it a "cool" inferance, like sign ppl. are referred to as "letterheads", etc...someone, somewhere, should have researched tag before labeling pinstripers w/such a negative preception, sort of like naming your son, "Sue"...going to create heat big time...
So Graham, if you want to get along w/me at least, don't refer to me as a ph, I'm a pinstriper, pure and simple...it's even easier to say...hey!!! you asked!!!
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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Yins beat me to it..."Pinhead" is a nickname for those who pinstripe. Most stripers dislike the term. Love....Jill
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What happened to the newsletter that had Pinhead News and so forth? Pinheads even had a "pinhead number", I believe that was giving to them upon joining that particular group. I thought maybe Bob Bonds was the editor for awhile. It seems it was around for a couple of years. Does anyone else remember it? A fellow Letterhead signed up for it and bought me a subscription for a year,($15 I think). I was given a number, like 316 (or was that my Draft lottery number?). Somebody out there must have an old Pinhead Gazette.
-------------------- Rich Stebbing RichSigns Rohnert Park CA 707-795-5588 Posts: 755 | From: Rohnert Park, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Ya Rich, might say I was behind the scene on that one, it died for lack of support and infighting amongest members as to which pinhead actually named it pinhead...an honor thats logic and relevance has always escaped me...and yes, each member was assigned a number, mine was 62, chosen to honor year I graduated BUDS...it could have been lower, at time I think only a dozen numbers had been issued...and yes, I disagreed w/nick from start, after two, quite embarressing situations wearing pinhead t-shirts, I never wore one again, work rags now, and I always aim at lettering first off to distort it beyond recognition, right off...whole thing soured me on subject long ago, shame too in a way, membership roster was over 2000 when it folded, galant attempt by Jeff Crank to revive it and keep it going also fell by the wayside as Jeff's life chose that point in time to get complicated and time became an issue w/him, a situation not unfamiliar to say, editors of AML...thankfully it died a peaceful death and lo and behold, the only thing to come out of the ashes was it's stupid name....go figure...though, it's poetic to some as far as some others are concerned, poetic indeed, and ironic.......
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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Here is your opportunity to come up with an appropriate name. I believe most of us dislike the name Pinhead, so lets see just how many better names can be had. Now is the time to change it for the better before it is too late and we will be stuck with it forever. How about Stripe artist? Or Stripe Professional?
Come on gang, lets have a go at it.
-------------------- Bill Riedel Riedel Sign Co., Inc. 15 Warren Street Little Ferry, N.J. 07643 billsr@riedelsignco.com Posts: 2953 | From: Little Ferry, New Jersey, USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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Actually Frank, although the numbers went over 2000 it was because I asked my registered number to be 2000 and Bob once told me it screwed up something or another in bookkeeping. I still have the wall paper thingies saying what number and your name. The PINHEADS stood for
Pinstripers International Network Historic Exotic Artistic Design Stylists
The above done by another east coast striper, Howie Nisgar
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I'm content w/term pinstriper, it's been the tag for our vocation for more years than I can account for...what works then, works well now, don't see a need to come up with a "suitable" tag when the one we have now is honorable, concise and quite capable of transcribing it's meaning to others w/o compromise...the need to sanitize nick w/new tag is really kind of silly and a waste of time, as the ones it affects(most I've talked to at least), are comfortable w/pinstriper...I'm a pinstriper and proud of it, PINSTRIPER works for me, pure and simple....
PINSTRIPER, it even looks cool, kewl'r than PH...
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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Even though the meets are usually referred to as "pinhead meets", I always use a more correct description as "striper" used while speaking within the group or "pin"striper to the general public as it is to communicate the artistry and events as they would know it.
As far as between each other, I try to use your name or nick, as you prefer. I'm not one to create nicks for others, and I may be a bore, but, I call all my children and grandchildren by their complete first names, while they have nicks by their other relatives. (okay there might be a "sweetie" here and there, but that's about it.)
As for me, I don't mind being called a "letterhead" sometimes, as for a while, it specifically explained which website I was connected to so they could find it also. Within my explanation, I mention the information can be found from artists of all kinds, involved with lettering and striping, carving, airbrushing, carving, (the old arts) (ha, and sometimes the old farts!, naw), and craftsman of many, many avenues, etc.
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Well I just thought all us stripers were stupid, I get it now, "pin"head as in "pin"striper, so while we are at it "letter"heads as in "letter"???? most people in the sign biz nowadays don't make "letters" thay make stickers some one who draws and designs "letters" I would say is a "letter-head" so I guess I don't mind being called "pin-head" by a bunch of "sticka-heads"
-------------------- Ken McTague, Concept Signs 57 Bridge St. (route 107) Salem MA 01970 1-978-745-5800 conceptsign@yahoo.com http://www.pinheadlounge.com/CaptainKen
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while we are at it I always thought the dentist was mis-named, a dentist should be an auto body guy, cuz he works with dents... a dentist should be called a toothist
-------------------- Ken McTague, Concept Signs 57 Bridge St. (route 107) Salem MA 01970 1-978-745-5800 conceptsign@yahoo.com http://www.pinheadlounge.com/CaptainKen
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One thing years ago when signs were hand painted there were always flourish of some kind added to help a sign stand out....thus the pinstriper added his garnishment. Signs of today have changed so much it's unbelieveable. I have been in the trade (my 30th year this year) for a long time and I always hated that title "PinHead". Especially from someone thaqt didn't know what a pinhead was.....they thought you were some kind of freak or something. I just tell them "it isn't finished until it's striped"!!!
Hetz
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I'm with Frank. Pinhead has a negative connotation. Type in pinheads on a web search and you get some freaky stuff. Most people know what a pinstriper does anyway. I'm all for removing the Pinhead term from the vocabulary of the sign profession.
-------------------- Stu Friesen Box 99 Estevan, SK S4A 2A2 306-634-5975 Posts: 97 | From: Estevan, SK | Registered: Feb 2006
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I would have to say....I prefer "Striper" and if ya don't like that, sc*#w ya.
I wonder,as a matter of fact...where the"PIN" part came from in "Pinstriper" ? Run that through the knowledge closet if yer hungry for sumpn'.
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-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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Jack, been awhile, but, and don't quote me here, when doing research on subject years ago, I traced the "art" of pinstriping back to the Bavarian Coach Works in 1517. Don't remember any suggestion of term pinstriper, but logic suggests to me, that term was coined when relationship of line produced from a pinstriping brush, sort of resembled the lines in clothing, referred to as "Pinstriped" suits, and term pinstriper arose from that as a title; remember those? Favorite of gangsters in this country during prohibition.....that would be my educated guess at least, interesting question, it was mentioned earlier and passed over, maybe efforts from this point on should center around the search for the correct answer to this question, might make for some interesting results...I wouldn't mind knowing for sure myself...afterall, I do profess to being one...unlike Peewee...
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-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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Pinhead was a badazz demon in the Hellraiser movies, very scary dude, but NOT a pinstriper
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-------------------- Ken McTague, Concept Signs 57 Bridge St. (route 107) Salem MA 01970 1-978-745-5800 conceptsign@yahoo.com http://www.pinheadlounge.com/CaptainKen
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Bavarian "Couch" Works, where you could Cushion yourself from the nasty outside world, smoke a Chesterfield, and enjoy, Sofa as you can!
John
-------------------- John Lennig / Big Top Sign Arts 5668 Ewart Street, Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada bigtopya@hotmail.com 604.451.0006 Posts: 2184 | From: Burnaby, British Columbia,Canada | Registered: Nov 2001
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John, whatever are you talking about? Did you read couch into this somehow? It's coach as pinstriping a couch might irriagate the owners...
Now that's a pinhead Ken!!!
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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When I hear pinhead, I think of the comic strip character Ziggy...I too am one of those that doesn't like the term applied to stripers.
Frank, I wonder if the term pinstriping has anything to do with pin feathers? Feather quills used to be used for calligraphy and illuminated manuscripts, which had some fine lines adorning them. Maybe some scribe reasoned that if a large quill was good for lettering, then a pinfeather would be just right for tiny lines.
Well, maybe not...just a thought. I think we can say that the word pin connotates something small, so just basing it on that, a pinstripe is a small stripe....? So doesn't that make a pinhead someone with a small brain? See what I mean about not liking the term?
Ok folks...as you can see I, just guessing here...
While we're at it, I never thought the word letterheads was the best way to describe a sign person. Something with "head" in it reminds me of pothead. For a long time I stayed away from the letterhead movement because i thought they were all just a bunch of ...umm...smokers. Ha...pretty funny now.
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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I'm gonna take a guess and suppose that it meant.......pinning a stripe onto a surface? Some of the older vehicles of the 20's and 30's and even 40's had wide variations of which particular model would end up being pinned'. Was it an add on feature?
CrazyJack
-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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After looking into some of my Coach and Carriage Striping books, most of which were written in the late 1890s, early 20th century, "Pinstriping" is never mentioned. "Striping" or "Master Striper" are the terms used when describing the result and the Artist doing it.
I think the term "Pinstriping" was a term coined by the great promoter, George Barris, or his "contractor", one Kenny Howard. Remembering back, that's where I first saw the term. That puts it back to the mid fifties, more or less. It also could'a been one of the Car mags of the time, Barris had that Station Wagon and Jack Chrisman's A sedan on any paper that would take printer's ink!
One Might inquire of Mr. BOBBO Dunn, who though only 39 years of age, remembers it all well. heh, heh . . . He can actually relate several stories of him being on hand when Rameses' Chariot was striped, and Cleopatra's death barge was decorated!
Most of the "Stripers" I know aren't just Stripers, but Auto Artists. They do everything, Airbrush Art, Striping, Lettering (real, no stickies) and even complete Paint Jobs. There are those who do nothing but "Stripe", I believe Joey is one of those. And that certainly doesn't make him a bad guy. On the contrary. But the average Striper has many talents, so one name just doesn't fit!
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Frank, unfortunatly I made the sign back in '98 when I joined the now dead movement...#914 I think.. so ther it hangs a reminder of ol' times.. but it's still the same.. support your local pinstriper.. it keeps the wife and kids happy.. Mucho toys and lots of extra spending money for the wife!!!!!!!!!! But dad gets first pick!
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As for the Signpainters, I'd like to add . . Back when I worked pretty hard at being a signpainter, I had never heard the term "Letterhead" let alone any other reference except "Sign Painter".
But, almost every time I worked out in the public, there was always the person who would stop and watch, and after awhile, comment, "My uncle (or other relative) was a Sign Painter . . but he was a drunk, y'know!" . .
so which would be worse, a "Letterhead" . . or a "Drunk"?
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