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Okay, I have to say something. I just couldn’t take it any longer. I would consider my self a newbie, a beginner and most importantly someone who still has a lot to learn. Someone that Richard believes he can teach through his video tapes. So, that would make me his targeted audience right? Yet I am not interested in purchasing his tape nor will I ever consider purchasing his tape. I believe that a good teacher should be respected and be an expert in his or her field. This is by no means a personal stab at Richard, but I find it hard to respect a person and consider a person an expert on a subject who makes statements such as: "Most sign work is LETTERS ONLY. Even if you have NO ARTISTIC TALENT, you can MAKE LOTS OF MONEY!! NOT A GIMMIK!!" And let’s face it, the web design and the examples on signtrainer.com could use some help too.
I do, on the other hand, respect most of the people on this board because I have seen their work and strive to someday match their quality. That is the type of people I want to learn from. That is why I like attending letterhead meets and wall dog events; to learn what I don’t already know. I think that Richard should also take this approach. Even the best teachers can still learn a thing or two. So, Richard, rather than snap back at people, who I am afraid to say did kind of started this whole thing, swallow your pride, be a man, and ask for some much needed help. I do it every day. There are plenty of extremely talented people on this board that I’m sure would be glad to help a person in your shoes. The only problem is that you have most likely already scared those folks off by your comments. If I were you (and I’m not) I would remove some of your statements that have offended so many people on this board, ask for some help and brush up on your design skills a little. A lot of the people on this board teach design seminars like David Butler for example. Pick up a Sign Craft and look at some of the beautiful work that is displayed in there every month. Dan Antonelli has articles in there all the time that I find very helpful.
Please take this advice. You would be surprised how much it might help. Then maybe more people might think about buying this tape of yours. Hey, then you might even make that a TWELVE figure income!
[ February 21, 2006, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Joseph Diaz ]
-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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Again...Has anyone even seen the video? Why are we jumping to assumptions about the quality of the information it provides?
Here's a quote from me that's been in my profile on the past profiles page since Steve started doing them. I was one of his earliest.
"I considered myself a fairly accomplished artist, what could be so hard about painting a few ABCs?"
Does everyone here have to be a Gary Anderson to be considered an accepted sign person? I don't see the need to carve, gild, airbrush if you're only interested in vinyl. And if you're going to be a vinyl guy then you need to learn the basics of vinyl just as a sign painter needs to learn the basics of brush and paint.
Lets stop deciding what other people should/need to do because we say so. What ever happened to live and let live. Far too much judgement going on.
-------------------- Bob Stephens Skywatch Signs Zephyrhills, FL
quote: Again...Has anyone even seen the video? Why are we jumping to assumptions about the quality of the information it provides?
I am jumping to assumptions because I believe that the examples on his site and the site itself reflect Richards work and thus the lessons that are being taught on his video. The same way that a sign reflects the nature of the business that it belongs to. Which isn’t even my “beef” with the whole thing. The statements about not needing to be artistic is what upsets me. But obviously Richard truly believes this to be true. This isn’t the point. All I was trying to say is that if rather than being so confrontational about all of this he could have asked for some help or for alternative ideas that might help improve his image to the people of this board and more importantly future customers. I believe that actions such as this would have said a lot about a person’s character regardless of other people or my own opinions towards the quality of his work. Hopefully some day he will change his mind about how important of a role design plays in sign making.
-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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If you are interested Richard, I build websites. I’m not quite as good as some of the artist on this board but I believe I could help you out.
-------------------- Joe Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, IL 61764 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 538 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Aug 2005
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JOSEPH .. Again I say to you and others. I do NOT respond badly, rudely, harshly or anything other than NICELY to anyone who is reasonable in their statements toward/about me. If you look back at things I have written you will see a very CLEAR and CONSISTANT pattern, in that I only get a bit ( or a lot ) "Creative" in my comments to those who have stated mis-information and attacks FIRST !!
Most of those who have attempted to "SLAM" my soft parts in the door, do so out of some drive other than fairness. THere is not much of a way to deal with them, or convince them, since they have ZERO knowledge of my Training Video and the internet is a safe place to vent all of life's frustrations. I actually think that SOME of the posts are there to see if I can be wittier than them in my response, and do not even mean what they say. That is really a bit scarry, and I am glad they don't live in the same state or town as I do. There is more than ONE person who slams me one one forum, and supports me on another. ( I keep track ). I have no clue as to what THAT really means .
There are also, a number of members HERE who have STARTED OUT saying (somewhat) negative things and have since followed up with e-mails to one of my e-mail addresses that support me and apologize for the actions of SOME of the others. (These identities are VERY SAFE with me, and valued).
I have expressed myself with Fair but Equal responses. It is clear by many of the responses posted on THIS forum ( and others) that there is a [growing] group of readers who do NOT feel I have done anything wrong, and while even THEY may feel some of my comebacks could be softer, seem to be more WITH me .. than AGAINST.In a lot of these posts, they agree that I did not start the negative side, and seem to applaud my responses.
For YOU ... I hope you find this a Fair and Equal response.
-------------------- Richard Dissinger www.SignTrainer.com "Sign Shop Training Videos for Beginners" Tampa, fl 813-814-7611 wwwAABestSigns.com Posts: 31 | From: Tampa Fl | Registered: Aug 2004
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Again let me attempt to clear this up.. I never used the word "ARTISTIC" ... I have stated " You do not need ARTIST skills .." and this was well thought out at the time I designed it. This is at WORST a slip of the tongue aimed at MYSELF, in that I do NOT consider myself an ARTIST, with the ability to draw what I see or can think of, BUT... do consider MYSELF to be ARTISTIC, in that I can use, and manipulate clipart to create ANYTHING I want with no boundries.
The samples on my website reflect SOME of the work I have done, not all, not the most ARTISTIC since I am not pushing this type of training. I let others spend the time pushing the complexities of MASTERPIECES, while I shoot for, and train others to shoot for, the smaller, easier-to-sell, faster-to-finish, jobs that allow you to have more time, to produce even MORE jobs, to produce an overall higher income.
And Joseph .. with all due respect .. I did not come here to improve my website image, or look for help with alternative ideas, since mine seem to be working pretty well for me. I will state that I have changed my website(s) several times, and will do it again as I get new BRAINSTORMS (maybe a result of bad diet).
The one thing I do not want is a website that looks like "all the rest"... and from a show of hands HERE, I feel I have accomplished that.
Thanks for the response
-------------------- Richard Dissinger www.SignTrainer.com "Sign Shop Training Videos for Beginners" Tampa, fl 813-814-7611 wwwAABestSigns.com Posts: 31 | From: Tampa Fl | Registered: Aug 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Steve Shortreed: Richard. If you are truly interested in a serious discussion, please knock off the links. We get the idea. Most of us are already longtime pros and probally not your target audience. If you do benefit from Letterville, send us a percentage.
Richard seems not to take direction from the Mayor too well, as he has resumed posting links at the begiging of each response. No brownie points that way Dude!
""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3516 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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