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Hi - can someone help me get the line around my images to dissappear? I'm trying to put them in an HTML page and I can't get rid of the white outline around the image (I'm exporting it from CDR as a jpg or a gif) When I try changing it to AI and bringing it into Illustrator or GoLive "Smart object" it is changing the colors and washing it out. Why?
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Kelly, I don't have golive, so I can't help ya there. You probably checked this, but is there a stroke or outline on the graphic you're exporting? If so, turn it off. If not put one on? Also, try exporting in a different format, maybe PDF or eps. I would assume that golive has similar color management settings as Illustrator or Photoshop. You may have to assign a profile to the image before or when you import it.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hey Kelly, are you trying to eliminate the white background from the image, as in a transparent background so it matches your website?
Or is there actually a thin white line surrounding the rectangular image?
Or is there a thin white outline around the objects *inside* the image exported with a transparent background?
Getting a transparent background requires saving as a GIF, and there's a "Transparent Background" option in the dialog boxes while exporting. If you do this and get a white outline around your objects, it's a Corel deal. For some reason I've never been able to get good clean transparent GIFs when exporting from CorelDRAW.
I usually do what you've tried, bring it into Illustrator and save it as a photoshop file with layers in tact so you get an empty background, then in Photoshop export a transparent GIF and it will come out OK. If the colors are changing, it's a color management issue between the programs. You'll have to check which profiles are being used in each program. I had the opposite problem on my windows machine, Illustrator displayed perfect colors but CorelDRAW showed them all screwy. Now on this Mac everything is calibrated so everything shows up as the right colors regardless of the program.
If the white outline shows up only after bringing it into your HTML program (ie: it doesnt appear in photoshop or other image editor) it may be a setting in your HTML program that's adding a border to the images. Usually that only happens when the image is made into a hyperlink to some other page or image but it could be something specific to GoLive. It may even disappear if you preview the page in a web browser.
I just can't imagine a rectangular image having a white outline around it (as opposed to a white background) when exported from Corel because I'm always doing Corel exports and never have a problem with it.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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quote:You may have to assign a profile to the image before or when you import it.
Thanks Brian, no there is no outline and I tried adding one in the same color and it doesn't work either. As for assigning a profile, not enough information. Can you tell me more?
I'm really confused with my color with Corel Draw and Illustrator. I opened both programs and put the same CMYK values in some boxes and they are different colors. Yet when I export as jpgs, the jpgs are also different colors. Shouldn't they be the same once out of the programs?
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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And on top of that my home computer and my shop computor have totally different colors. There has to be some way of getting everything on one plane! I'd like to use the "Smart Object" feature in GoLive, but I can't get my CDR image into Illustrator without totally messing up the colors. Maybe my best bet is to just re-color the vector file in illustrator. The four frustrating hours I spent trying to make it work last night was a total waste of time.
Mike, there is a thin white line surrounding my object. Funny thing is sometimes it comes in with it just on two sides and sometimes there is a white hairline box around it. I have tried all sorts of settings, exporting as jpgs, gifs, publish to web settings, nothing seemed to wrok. I suspect it is on the Corel side of things, but it doesn't show up if I import it back into Corel. What I did was place my image on a rectangular background the same color as my page because I wasn't having any luck importing in a clean transparent bkgr image.
I think my first step is going to have to be to go back to the programs and get my color management sorted out, both between platforms and programs. I've been blaming my monitors, but I suspect it may be some windows XP settings or something. If anyone has some help here I would appreciate it.
Jake.....don't mention exactos to a frustrated woman.. ..actually GoLive has a neat crop feature where you can crop a smart object and I thought of using it, but I can't get my image the correct color in smart objects.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Hi again Kelly, Adobe and Photoshop manage colors differently. The only reason why I say that is because I can't figure out Corel's color management system. It seems to be simple enough, but I just can't get it to work. When you export a raster image from Corel, you can try to "assign ICC profile" to see if that helps. As far as Adobe goes, I beleive all the new Adobe software can share the same color management profile. All you have to do is set it up for one, then save and import that profile into the other Adobe programs. If you use Adobe gamma to calibrate your monitors, you'll see what is close to a true color representation without calibration hardware and software. Beleive it or not, the screen may appear to be darker when you're done. Just for kicks and giggles, open an image in photoshop. Then go to IMAGE, MODE and ASSIGN PROFILE.When the pop up appears, select the bottom option, PROFILE and click on the drop down menu to the right. Now, scroll through the options and watch what happens to the picture, it should be shanging colors. Anyway, Open up photoshop and go to EDIT and choose COLOR SETTINGS. The quick fix here would be to use the "U.S. Prepress Defaults" which may change your monitor colors even more. If you want to experiment, you can put a check box in the ADVANCED MODE and fine tune it a little. Your Color Management Policies should be set to preserve embedded profiles and all the boxes below should be checked. This will warn you, when you open, paste or place an image, if an image does not have a profile or is mismatched for the workspace you're using. Also in the advanced mode, you'll want your conversion options to be this as follows: Engine: Adobe (ACE); Intent: perceptual. I forgot what the settings were for anything below that. But the US defaults should be fine. Now you'll want to save these color settings and use them for your other Adobe software. In the ohter programs, it should be a matter of going to the color settings and importing the file you just saved. Now that you have your Adobe programs in tune with each other, importing and color correcting the Corel file should be as simple as assigning the profile that works. A good source of info when it comes to ICC profiles is www.color.org or just do a google search - if you don't mind them tracking your searching habits and handing them over to big brother
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Edited to add that I know just enough about color management to be dangerous.
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hi Kelley I would bet what you are seeing is the anti aliasing that you have selected when you export a graphic Corel for whatever reason antialises straight lines most people then just take the image into photopaint and with the clone tool they just wipe away the lighter coloured pixels. I know it is a pain in the butt. Your next issue you where talking about is colour management between programs and computer systems hahaha that issue I am sure has cause some people to go insane. It would take alot for me to even come close to helping you with this issue in this forum and I am sure that their are way better people to help with this problem and it may never be perfect.
-------------------- Steve Eisenreich Dezine Signs PO BOX 6052 Stn Forces Cold Lake, Alberta T9M 2C5 Posts: 774 | From: Cold Lake | Registered: Mar 2000
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How about I just Purolator my systems to you and you send them back fixed Steve.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Kelly I had the same colour issues- a file with a nice rich blue in Illy looked like a washed out grey in Corel, but using the info box, both were 100% the same C & M values. (no Y or K in that colour).
In the end by fiddling in the colour setup drop down menu in corel, I was able to change the program to manage it so they were almost identical in all programs.
I think corel wants to display as vibrant a scheme as it can on your monitor, while Illy may be set up to show you the colours true to how they'd print on your printer...(for a crude explanation of my take on it.) Anyway I altered it in corel to solve the problem here.
To remove a white box that shouldn't be there- save as a jpg from corel, then open in Photoshop and crop the white box out, and resave?
But I have a round-about way- I save from Corel as an ai file, and then <place> that in Photoshop (& hit <enter>), and save then- it's just an old habit, and it works for me!
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7014 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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P.S. In corel the place to tweak was in Tools>options>colour management>generic cmyk printer profile/monitor/various options
but try & see, the other options may work better- it's a five minute experiment which won't send you batty!. Open a file & watch it change as you click the settings.
edited to say Brian's right, and he I think, did a good thread about that a while ago (6 weeks?), but I have Phshop & illy set sort of the way I like, basically, and adjusted corel to suit them, rather than the other way round.
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7014 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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Kelley I would help if I could but Ian is doing a good job so far and even I do not have my systems color calibrated the cost is not worth it.
To be honest, their is allot even Ian is missing that is involved with color management of systems. Everything from probably each system has a different type of monitor and different systems might have different operating systems and then video cards are probably different. Also are all the systems running the latest system drivers? Are all systems using the same printer profiles and input device profiles? Also what type lighting is in each office what do you have your monitor temperature set at? I think it is best set to 5500Kalvin. Then do you have a spectrocolorimeter? Here is a company that sell one type of them: http://www.colorvision.com/profis/profis_view.jsp?id=244
Did you know that Epson printers put ink on the page differently than lets say HP or Canon printers and than did you use their photo paper this can also change colours. Are you taking you photos with a professional Nikon camera or a cheap Wal-Mart special?
So as you see colour is something that is not going to be just a couple quick button clicks to get right. At work I printed out a wall chart with pantone colour chips from my printer and that way if anyone says they need a specific colour I tell them to go to the chart and pick one and since I printed the chart I can at least match that colour.
Years ago I had this DESIGNER lady want me to match a green color, she grabbed a crayon out of a box and scribbled one a piece of paper, well I spent three hours trying to match it and it was close when I was done but she did not think so. Colour in the persons eye is also different for different people how do you match that?
-------------------- Steve Eisenreich Dezine Signs PO BOX 6052 Stn Forces Cold Lake, Alberta T9M 2C5 Posts: 774 | From: Cold Lake | Registered: Mar 2000
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Kelly, when you export, select "Corel Image Map[HTM]" in the "Save as Type" box. In the next dialoge box that comes up, select "GIF" as the export type. This will end up giving yo an html file and a gif with a very small file size. Just delete the html file and place you gif in your document. If you web page is white you won't need to worry about transparency color. However if your web page is colored, and your graphic is anything other the a square or rectangle, what I do is put a rectangle around it and give it a color that is not in the graphic, then I pick that color as the transparent color. (you'll get that dialogue box after the "export type" box). That usually works pretty well.
Dan
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