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Not all rap or hip-hop is the same as what you see on MTV or hear coming out of some kid's Civic at the stop light...there's plenty of much better and more intelligent rap/hip-hop out there that's NOT about demeaning women, drugs, violence, "bling-bling", etc., and musically they aren't a few sampled bars repeated for 3 minutes. Atmosphere, Deltron3000, Jurassic 5, etc. are just a few examples of some stuff that doesn't sound a bit like 50 Cent and the like. Positive messages and creativity aren't dead in hip-hop, but they are a bit more underground.
I am not really a huge rap/hip-hop fan, I have a few albums -- most of which are at least 8 or 10 years old. But, I know that the mainstream stuff out there sucks compared to what you can find if you look a little harder. It's like saying all newer rock sucks because you hear Creed and Nickleback on the radio -- there's stuff out there that DOESN'T suck, but sometimes you have to find it yourself. I never really knock a whole genre of music...I don't like most country I hear on the radio/TV either, but I wouldn't say that it ALL sucks because I know the good stuff exists.
I won't even touch the "we are moving toward a black society and it sucks and thanks to welfare it isn't going to change" comment...save that **** for your racist buddies.
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quote:Originally posted by Bobbie Rochow: There is a little rap-type stuff thrown in here & there, but basically, it is happy sounding music played with a lot of trumpets. Kind of a mixture of jazz/raggae/punk stuff.
Anyone else ever listen to Ska music?
Ehh? Ska? Happy? OK, I'll give you "it's got a snappy beat".. that's because its roots are in Jamaica (1950's) with a calypso beat. Jamaicans took the R&B and jazz influences from the New Orleans radio broadcasts they picked up on their radios, and blended them with their music. The newer stuff that's been blended with punk music carries a March/Polka beat, as a lot of punk music is built around a revved-up polka tempo. Your kid likes OC Supertones and Five Iron Frenzy? I can see why you'd say it sounds "happy". Those are Christian Ska bands dear, the other stuff can get.. well.. political, raunchy, "let's get drunk and fight" kinda stuff. There's a whole segment of Ska that was targeted at the Skinhead movement. I know this all too well, got accused of being a skinhead on more than one occassion simply because of the music I listened to.
Rick missed some other good ones though.. Madness got lots of airplay on the radio in the US with "Our House" which is a bit watered down but their other stuff is better. There's also The Skatalites, The Toasters, Skankin' Pickle.. good stuff. UB40 even mixed a little ska and raggae.
Then there are newer bands (late 80's early 90's) like The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, VooDoo Glowskulls, Operation Ivy, Big Bad Voodoo Daddies and The Urge that mixed some punk into Ska.
OH! Fishbone! can NOT forget Fishbone! who else would have mixed ska, punk then toss in some theramin action on top of it!
Another band, MU330, was a great local Ska band from my old stomping grounds, St Louis. That's where The Urge started as well. Not sure if they're still around but they know how to get a joint skankin'.
Skavooooovie!!!
Oh... we won't discuss No Doubt or The Waitresses... blech
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I like rap music. I like 50cent, Diddy, Notorious, it's gets me moving. But I also like Rock as well. And what about Debra Harry's "Rap Song' Rapture? She was rapping in that song. But I do hast ta admit, some of the lyrics in rap music is really wack. So if the lyrics in music are offensive now, how will they be in 15 years. Where do lyricists go from here. What will be the nextthing to "Sing" about. Murder, arson, rape? What about Johnny Cash's "I killed a man just to watch him die"
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How could I forget Fishbone, I broke my leg at a Fishbone show at Knotts Berry Farm. Some corpulent concert goer was doing some agro skank and slipped and fell on my leg and snapped it like a twig.....
I saw No Doubt (when they were ska) at an Orange County backyard party, a friends band was playing called the "Liquidators" His band put a few records out on the Trojan label, he also played with the reformed Bad Manners and The Special Beat. I was never a big Madness fan but you can't deny "One Step Beyonds" infectious groove.
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Well, I'll jump in the 2-tone discussion for a bit, I started listening to The Selecter (Too much Pressure, The Specials (too much too young), & Maddness(one step beyond)around 1976 Later I had the opportunity to see the English Beat open up for the Clash at the Jamaica World Music Festival in 1982, but my best ska memory was after The Skatalites reformed in the 80's I got to see them play a free outdoor concert in Brooklyn! They are truely one of the originals dating back to before I was born.
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There are a few rap songs I've heard that I liked. I sort'a see some of it as a 21st century version of the 60's coffee house 'peotry'.
I can't think of any styles of music where I can say I hate all of it. I may only like one song in that style, but ultimately, there'll be something I like.
I don't own many CD's or buy music. If I hear as song I don't like, I go to something I do like.
Where are you hearing the 'rap' music you don't like Ken??
You walk thru an art gallery and see some stuff you don't like. You can leave it there.
Why would you hang art you don't enjoy on your walls?
Your in public and hear music you don't like. You can walk away.
Why would you put music in your ears you don't like??
Music is art and you have to have an open mind and listen. Sometimes, even if you hate the lyrics, there'll be something awesome in the bass licks or the lead, or the drummer is great, whatever.
There is usually some redeeming quality in everything, even if most of it is bad. That also does'nt mean I have to own it.
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Where's M.C.Hammer, fit in on this mess? TOO LEGIT'TO QUIT......
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"The 1990s were a significant decade for bringing rap music into the commercial mainstream. MC Hammer (later known simply as Hammer) went to the top of the charts in 1990 with Please Hammer Don’t Hurt ‘Em, which sold 13 million copies in its first year and became the best-selling rap album of all time."
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Yes, Doug, I'm singing some of the stuff my son has, just to let him know I like the beat and tunes, and all of it is a form of art. I just try to bring him back to the good stuff. Thanks to you in the posts who bring up some of the names of the great artists. I like the way Fiddy cents, etc., instrumentals, and others do their thing, without most of the words, you know. I always like instrumentals, and am really into reggae, plus the earlier hip hop. Just know some is just pure crap and that's what I'm complaining about, and of course, it's just my opinion. Guess it's a bit different when you think about how the messages are affecting our own kids and their classmates. It's best to conduct the conversation to the kids as we do here. great points.
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My 21 year-old daughter is home from college, and instead of playing her rap crap, she spent several days downloading all my Led Zep, Stones, Allman Bros. and even some Marvin Gaye onto her new iPod. Praise the Lord........
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I'm pretty liberal, but I never could get into it. Luckily neither did my boys, so I didn't have to listen to it first thing in the morning. I did have to listen to some Nine Inch Nails and Pantera and I never got into that either. But that was a passing fancy. Their tastes have improved with age.
Rap is my least favorite of all-time music. I just never did get it. If it leaves our planet (WHOOORRRAAAA!!!!!!!)
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With all the music out there, it's as simple as turning a dial or buying the kids a set of headphones. The passing rod on the street with the stereo blaring is normally out of earshot within one minute. I'm fond of an assortment of music and have found an occasion rap song worth listening to, as I've found some of every style. As far as the message kids are getting...... come on..... have you seen cable lately?
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Wow Todd, "uncle Ted" Nugent would be seriously proud of you!! I can't agree more. That was a very well articulated piece.
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quote:Originally posted by Rick Chavez: I love ska, I've been a ska music fan since the late 70's. My favorite bands are The Specials, Selector, Body Snatchers, The Beat, Desmond Decker, Rico and Bad Manners. I like the newer stuff too. Me and my friends used to me "Modernists" (Mods for short) with the clothes, the scooters and music after punk got too commercialized.
Hey Rick, I saw the Selector last year at a pub in town there was Pauline Black pork pie hat on her head belting it out, plus I saw the Specials, Madness, The GoGo's, Secret Affair, The JAM loads of times, never seen the Modfather on his own though but have all his albums oh and my claim to fame is that I was in the studio when UB40 recorded Signing Off, my cousins husband was the sound engineer and I happened to be with them that week.
I'm too young to remember the 60's mods but was one when the movie "Quadrophenia" came out.
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Sonny, sorry to tell ya, but all that means is that she's probably discovered 'weed'
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Blaming Rap music for the degradation of society is like blaming Ben & Jerry's for your weight problem.
I have listened to all kinds of stuff over the years...mostly older punk/alternative stuff, that, if you actually listen to the lyrics, can have messages ranging from straight-edge (no drugs, no smoking, no promiscuity)ala Minor Threat, to tales of necrophilia (TSOL) and horror movie style murder fun by the Misfits. And it's not just punk, Johnny Cash "Delia's Gone" for example. No remorse in those lyrics.
If it was possible for a sane kid to become mentally disturbed because of his musical preferences, then I'd be one seriously tweaked individual.
It's a parent's job to make sure that the kids can interpret the proper messages and weed out the crap. That goes for music, tv, friends, and letterstyle choices. If they can't do that, then there's not much hope for them in any aspect of the real world.
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I don't think rap music is the cause of problems as much as a symptom.
A year or two or even three is a fad. Twenty years of music that would be more appropriate to fill a dumpster than a stereo...is hard to explain in any other way.
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that's because its roots are in Jamaica (1950's) with a calypso beat. Jamaicans took the R&B and jazz influences from the New Orleans radio broadcasts they picked up on their radios, and blended them with their music. The newer stuff that's been blended with punk music carries a March/Polka beat, as a lot of punk music is built around a revved-up polka tempo. Your kid likes OC Supertones and Five Iron Frenzy? I can see why you'd say it sounds "happy". Those are Christian Ska bands dear, the other stuff can get.. well.. political, raunchy, "let's get drunk and fight" kinda stuff. There's a whole segment of Ska that was targeted at the Skinhead movement. I know this all too well, got accused of being a skinhead on more than one occassion simply because of the music I listened to.
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